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Post by sigurdur on Sept 13, 2009 0:49:12 GMT
How nice. I was just told that because I don't have a college degree that I couldn't understand literature published in periodicals. That happened at Open Mind. I may not be the brightest bulb on earth, but my IQ is over 160.
Unbelievable....
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 13, 2009 1:14:24 GMT
This is a common form of academic snobbery and ad-hominem response usually extended from safely within a tenured position in a university by someone who could not make their way in the real world. It is almost guaranteed as a response if they are losing an academic argument.  "Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it." Stephen Vizinczey, An Innocent Millionaire |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Sept 13, 2009 1:47:29 GMT
How nice. I was just told that because I don't have a college degree that I couldn't understand literature published in periodicals. That happened at Open Mind. I may not be the brightest bulb on earth, but my IQ is over 160. Unbelievable.... Well, any working stiff knows what a degree gets you; a job interview - sometimes it even gets you a job. Why I even hired a few college grads myself, before I retired, just on the off chance they might be useful someday. A couple of them actually were.  |
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Post by magellan on Sept 13, 2009 1:49:43 GMT
Don't feel alone Sigidur, it happens often. Lucia Liligjren was recently banned by 'Hansen's bulldog' (Tamino) for kindly pointing his glorious two box model violated 2LOT. ;D
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 13, 2009 2:26:39 GMT
Don't feel alone Sigidur, it happens often. Lucia Liligjren was recently banned by 'Hansen's bulldog' (Tamino) for kindly pointing his glorious two box model violated 2LOT. ;D Tamino apparantly doesn't like the idea that there have been numerous PUBLISHED studies, which I referenced....that show the current level of Arctic Ice was nothing new in the Halocene period. Oh well, bowhead whales live under the ice now I guess, rather than on the edge. Just ticks me off tho. |
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Post by Purinoli on Sept 13, 2009 15:55:34 GMT
It happened all the time and on all levels. I have a degree ( chemistry) and about 30 patents on Medicinal Chemistry and run my own small Co. with pleasure and ( at least to my mind ) successfuly for almost 25 years.
On the business meeting few months ago one manager form Pharma Co. told me openly and loudly that I'll not get the order because I have no PhD. I just said thks for your time gentlemen and good bye, I have no intention to get one ( PhD).
Fortunately there are still a lot of people and Co's seeking (good) results and not academic titles. I think so no one can be as clever and bright as other one can be stupid.
Best Regards ( and apology for my poor English, it is not my mother language).
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 13, 2009 17:17:14 GMT
Yep.......that is open mind alright. Just told that I wasn't welcome. Guess Tamino didn't like these links very well. www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/warming_aerosols.htmlLoehle, C. 2007. A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-treering proxies. Energy & Environment 18(7-8): 1049-1058 |
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Post by flyingmonkey on Sept 13, 2009 18:11:36 GMT
Yep.......that is open mind alright. Just told that I wasn't welcome. Guess Tamino didn't like these links very well. www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/warming_aerosols.htmlLoehle, C. 2007. A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-treering proxies. Energy & Environment 18(7-8): 1049-1058 Silence Heretic. Your apostasy interrupts our chanting of the sacred rites. And worse , such blasphemy is interfering in our membership drive. |
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 13, 2009 21:13:57 GMT
Yep.......that is open mind alright. Just told that I wasn't welcome. Guess Tamino didn't like these links very well. www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/warming_aerosols.htmlLoehle, C. 2007. A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-treering proxies. Energy & Environment 18(7-8): 1049-1058 Bring back the London smogs! Just think all that industry shut down in China for the Olympics was AGW!! <<Cough cough>> ""We will have very little leverage over climate in the next couple of decades if we're just looking at carbon dioxide," Shindell said. "If we want to try to stop the Arctic summer sea ice from melting completely over the next few decades, we're much better off looking at aerosols and ozone.""So the sulphates and black carbon microparticles are as strong as CO 2. ?? |
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 13, 2009 21:40:39 GMT
Would appear that way in the Arctic.
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Post by stranger on Sept 13, 2009 23:36:35 GMT
Academic arrogance is nothing new. Oliver Heaviside received the cold shoulder from the Royal Academy - even though that elitist association of andabates did more to hamper the advance of science than to advance science.
Fifty years or so closer to the present, I earned a degree. And while I was earning it every "fact" in the required textbooks were disproven.
And finally, the particulates and the aerosols are actually much more powerful than any feasible amount of atmospheric CO2 will ever be.
Stranger
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 14, 2009 0:07:12 GMT
Academic arrogance is nothing new. Oliver Heaviside received the cold shoulder from the Royal Academy - even though that elitist association of andabates did more to hamper the advance of science than to advance science. Fifty years or so closer to the present, I earned a degree. And while I was earning it every "fact" in the required textbooks were disproven. And finally, the particulates and the aerosols are actually much more powerful than any feasible amount of atmospheric CO2 will ever be. Stranger Yes they are, but try showing that to Tamino when he is on a high about Arctic warming and how co2 is the driver. I find it hard to believe he is so ignorant and spreads such stupidity. |
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Post by byz on Sept 14, 2009 19:30:27 GMT
He's not stupid or ignorant, I believe that human nature makes it very hard for people who have actively championed a particular hypothesis to say... I was wrong!
People like to be the next great prophet/messiah and when they realise the game is up, they can't accept that they are merely human after all.
So the persecute the unbeliever and heretics, clinging desperately to their godlike status (hitler in his bunker planning for the rebuilding of Vienna once he'd re-conquered it from the Russians - in fact he even berated the German people for not being worthy of him said they deserved to be annihilated once they'd realised the game was up!!)
AGW is in the bunker and the Sun is coming ;D
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Post by pacman on Sept 15, 2009 3:26:26 GMT
This comment is a little off-topic but I recall that the British designer and engineer - Sir Alec Issigonis - of the popular Morris Minor car followed by the iconic Mini and other vehicles was not a university graduate. He always reckoned that academic engineers were ten a penny - his actual words and I agree. I went through the motions in an academic way as a backstop and then chucked the text books away and did things my way (with apologies to Frank).
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Post by sentient on Sept 15, 2009 3:54:09 GMT
Actually, Sigurder, you might want to take this as a compliment!
One may not actually be offended by someone else, except by a singular exception. That being the decision to allow oneself to be offended. It is your right, and you may bequeath it to others.
Open Mind is Tamino's lair. Here, like on most political and religious sites one may find the single-mindedness normally associated with sectarian belief structures. A belief in one's point of view, to the extent where alternative belief structures are minimized, criticized, ostracized and belittled. So focused upon a singular belief structure that such well-documented things as the ice core data, the interstadial rapid fluctuations of climate and sea levels factually derived do not transcend the certainty of predictions and favored recent facts, which happen to pale in significance to things which naturally happen on far shorter timeframes to orders of magnitude larger effects.
You may choose to be offended by such narrow-mindedness, expanding ones consciousness to encompass the extremely limited "modern" anthropogenic data sets, or choose to accept the astonishing enormity and abruptness of the natural noise, natural climate change. Either way, one must always personally reconcile ones choice against the the fact that the mind is like a parachute. It must be open in order to function......
We each get to decide. No letters, no degrees. Simply single variable processors versus the multivariate. Perhaps a defining moment in human evolution.....
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