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Post by curiousgeorge on Oct 30, 2009 1:00:45 GMT
They had their chance around 1347 ce. Been getting colder for a hundred years. Crop yields dropping dramatically. Starvation, wars, superstition, and civil violence thrived. Lived with livestock and flea ridden rats to stay warm. Black Plague. 50% + die off of the known world. Scientific & standard of living progress comes to a standstill and retreats. Doesn't sound like Utopia to me. Sounds like Hell.
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 30, 2009 1:30:45 GMT
They had their chance around 1347 ce. Been getting colder for a hundred years. Crop yields dropping dramatically. Starvation, wars, superstition, and civil violence thrived. Lived with livestock and flea ridden rats to stay warm. Black Plague. 50% + die off of the known world. Scientific & standard of living progress comes to a standstill and retreats. Doesn't sound like Utopia to me. Sounds like Hell. Curious: Doesn't sound to pleasant to me either. It certainly can happen again tho. Chaotic climate is just that......chaotic. |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Oct 30, 2009 2:11:47 GMT
They had their chance around 1347 ce. Been getting colder for a hundred years. Crop yields dropping dramatically. Starvation, wars, superstition, and civil violence thrived. Lived with livestock and flea ridden rats to stay warm. Black Plague. 50% + die off of the known world. Scientific & standard of living progress comes to a standstill and retreats. Doesn't sound like Utopia to me. Sounds like Hell. Curious: Doesn't sound to pleasant to me either. It certainly can happen again tho. Chaotic climate is just that......chaotic. Yes, it could happen again and probably will at some point. I assume you mean chaotic in the mathematical sense? It would be worse, and propagate faster, than the first time around tho, because there are far more of us packed more tightly together, and we have farther to fall. |
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 30, 2009 2:18:01 GMT
Curious: Doesn't sound to pleasant to me either. It certainly can happen again tho. Chaotic climate is just that......chaotic. Yes, it could happen again and probably will at some point. I assume you mean chaotic in the mathematical sense? It would be worse, and propagate faster, than the first time around tho, because there are far more of us packed more tightly together, and we have farther to fall. The consequence of coolling would also be an increase in population for a short time. We all know what happens on cold stormy nights.....don't we? So, that would only add to the burden of co2. Gosh durn it......no matter what happens, co2 is going to go up! |
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Post by poitsplace on Oct 30, 2009 4:51:27 GMT
You know, when you think about it...there were probably just as many wars during warm periods as there were during cold periods. The major difference being the wars during past warm periods left vast, powerful, stable empires in their wake...while the ones during cold periods saw the destruction of vast, powerful and until that time, stable empires, leaving a cold, starving, unorganized rabble in their wake.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Oct 30, 2009 8:48:12 GMT
You know, when you think about it...there were probably just as many wars during warm periods as there were during cold periods. The major difference being the wars during past warm periods left vast, powerful, stable empires in their wake...while the ones during cold periods saw the destruction of vast, powerful and until that time, stable empires, leaving a cold, starving, unorganized rabble in their wake. You're very likely right. Warfare has been one of the constants of human existence for as far back as our limited knowledge will take us. Most folks only think of Medieval Europe and around the Med, but it was just as prevalent in China, the America's, and everywhere else people competed for whatever was valued. It hasn't changed, nor will it. |
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