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Post by sentient on Dec 9, 2009 4:15:59 GMT
jtom is on to it. MIS-1, eccentricity minima. MIS-7, ~200kyrs ago, eccentricity maxima, Neanderthals get rubbed out. Ditto for the eccentricity maxima back to at least:
“An examination of the fossil record indicates that the key junctures in hominin evolution reported nowadays at 2.6, 1.8 and 1 Ma coincide with 400 kyr eccentricity maxima, which suggests that periods with enhanced speciation and extinction events coincided with periods of maximum climate variability on high moisture levels.”
state Trauth, et al (2009) in Quaternary Science Reviews.
Often in species evolution, change is rapid given forcings, and what kind of environmental forcing(s) might result from 50 billion of us by 2050 (Ban-Ki Moon, 2008, Intl. Food Conf.)? 100 bn by 2100?
Meaning, those that make it will do better than the Nine Times Rule. This time, at an eccentricity minimum, it may be up to us..............
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 9, 2009 11:39:51 GMT
jtom is on to it. MIS-1, eccentricity minima. MIS-7, ~200kyrs ago, eccentricity maxima, Neanderthals get rubbed out. Ditto for the eccentricity maxima back to at least: “An examination of the fossil record indicates that the key junctures in hominin evolution reported nowadays at 2.6, 1.8 and 1 Ma coincide with 400 kyr eccentricity maxima, which suggests that periods with enhanced speciation and extinction events coincided with periods of maximum climate variability on high moisture levels.” state Trauth, et al (2009) in Quaternary Science Reviews. Often in species evolution, change is rapid given forcings, and what kind of environmental forcing(s) might result from 50 billion of us by 2050 (Ban-Ki Moon, 2008, Intl. Food Conf.)? 100 bn by 2100? Meaning, those that make it will do better than the Nine Times Rule. This time, at an eccentricity minimum, it may be up to us.............. And interesting from your quote the climate "maximum climate variability on high moisture levels." can be driven by the Earth's orbit. Looks like the thought police missed that one.
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Post by hairball on Dec 9, 2009 13:56:15 GMT
"Often in species evolution, change is rapid given forcings, and what kind of environmental forcing(s) might result from 50 billion of us by 2050 (Ban-Ki Moon, 2008, Intl. Food Conf.)? 100 bn by 2100?" Ban-Ki would want to get his facts straight, latest UN estimates predict that the human population will peak at <10 billion sometime this century. He could only have pulled those 50/100 billions out of his arse. Here's the numbers: esa.un.org/unpp/It's fashionable to think that humanity is some sort of blot on the Earth. It's an attractive idea but has no basis in fact. It's strange that these people can take their Gaia religion seriously but reject the possibility that humanity is the highest expression of nature no matter what we do. To think otherwise is anti-human in my book.
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Post by sentient on Dec 20, 2009 20:43:41 GMT
Anybody want to pony up $37? (just spent $550 on my cat, feeling a little wallet shy at the moment). Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO sub(2) Emission Chilingar, GV | Khilyuk, LF | Sorokhtin, OG Energy Sources Part A: Recovery, Utilization, and Environmental Effects [Energy Sources Part A: Recovery, Util., Environ. Effects]. Vol. 30, no. 1, pp. 1-9. 2008. The writers investigated the effect of CO sub(2) emission on the temperature of atmosphere. Computations based on the adiabatic theory of greenhouse effect show that increasing CO sub(2) concentration in the atmosphere results in cooling rather than warming of the Earth's atmosphere. www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a788582859~db=all
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 20, 2009 21:57:45 GMT
I see another library request is in store.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 20, 2009 21:59:10 GMT
Anybody want to pony up $37? (just spent $550 on my cat, feeling a little wallet shy at the moment). Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO sub(2) Emission Chilingar, GV | Khilyuk, LF | Sorokhtin, OG Energy Sources Part A: Recovery, Utilization, and Environmental Effects [Energy Sources Part A: Recovery, Util., Environ. Effects]. Vol. 30, no. 1, pp. 1-9. 2008. The writers investigated the effect of CO sub(2) emission on the temperature of atmosphere. Computations based on the adiabatic theory of greenhouse effect show that increasing CO sub(2) concentration in the atmosphere results in cooling rather than warming of the Earth's atmosphere. www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a788582859~db=allOK.....call me mean. My wife spent 447.00 on a cat......I didn't know that was going to happen. Let's just say....if I had known....the cat would have assumed room temp 2 days earlier than he did.
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Post by sentient on Dec 20, 2009 22:08:48 GMT
Understandable. So far so good, 2 weeks on, she has completely recovered. Would have missed her terribly.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 21, 2009 6:22:14 GMT
Understandable. So far so good, 2 weeks on, she has completely recovered. Would have missed her terribly. Have you mis-spelt your board name, Sentiment?
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Post by ceige on Dec 21, 2009 9:13:28 GMT
Steve/Socold, so....let me get this straight....we are to tax the developed world(that provides us with the ability to keep us warm in the winter and cool in the summer and most of all the food we need) and provide us with the food we need so China/India can rule the roost...on this kind of science? Did anyone account for the CO2 in the beer/coke/champagne we drink? C14-C12-13? Who freakin cares...Or did we account for how much $ Goldman Sachs/Media stands to profit off this JUNK SCIENCE!... Perplexed...
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Post by ceige on Dec 21, 2009 9:18:23 GMT
Better yet....when or where has taxes changed the weather/climate?...please provide examples...luv ya...
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Post by ceige on Dec 21, 2009 9:20:19 GMT
....May I add the government windfall $...
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Post by hairball on Dec 21, 2009 15:52:19 GMT
Earth: The Climate Wars (sorry if this has been posted before). Made a year before the CRU's facial warming started so it was a little out of date when it was broadcast again last week. I doubt if anyone has 3 hours to waste being patronised by the BBC but for what it's worth . . . "Dogged" Keeling, the "brilliant" JASONS and their black sheep Nierenberg make appearances in the first hour. The shocking denouement that ice-cores revealed that the climate can rapidly change makes no mention that humanity had nothing to do with it and we haven't a clue what caused it. Not really sure what CFC's have to do with the subject. Hansen pops up at the end to seal the deal. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8547224522119252436&ei=BYYvS8rCMZWz-AbT7ZSFBQ&q=climate+warsThe second episode has a truly bizarre montage of Mann during happier days striking poses in still photos possibly while the photographer shouted "Pout for me Professor!" Goes through the satellites and their problems. It then proceeds to comprehensively debunk the flat-Earthers and exonerate the Sun before bathing the presenter in the eerie glow of a sci-fi style projection of the hockey stick. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1668329593924661115&ei=BYYvS8rCMZWz-AbT7ZSFBQ&q=climate+warsHaven't got around to the last part yet myself: video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4809718812879164013&hl=en&emb=1#Many mentions of "ugly facts" but the ones that contradict AGW don't get much checking or mention. I mean, I can't comment on whether a seagull shat on his brother one balmy day in '76, but I'm pretty sure temps remained pretty flat until 1980, and the early 80's were bloody freezing in this part of the world too. Well, fair enough, I'm quite biased. It's a pretty comprehensive albeit heavily "consensus" focused history of AGW theory. But the presenter's fawning attitude really makes my skin crawl and if he talked down to me like that in real life he'd soon be worried about the lack of ice; to stop his swelling eyes from closing up. Fans of ambient techno are well catered for.
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