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Post by nonentropic on Dec 14, 2016 3:04:06 GMT
And the enthalpy is also much less material
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 14, 2016 3:22:47 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 14, 2016 3:24:43 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 14, 2016 9:36:08 GMT
Yet again the effect of orbits being around the barycenter is shown in data. This will be dismissed by many who think that the Sun is special and unlike other stars doesn't get perturbed in its path by the planets. Scarfetta may have found one of the mechanisms that underly Theo's forecasting.
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Post by duwayne on Dec 14, 2016 14:16:57 GMT
Your calculations are correct Duwayne. Thanks, Sigurdur. I'm unable to understand why Graywolf has a problem with what I've posted and I'm awaiting an answer to my question to him which would help me understand his concerns.
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Post by icefisher on Dec 14, 2016 17:09:45 GMT
Your calculations are correct Duwayne. Thanks, Sigurdur. I'm unable to understand why Graywolf has a problem with what I've posted and I'm awaiting an answer to my question to him which would help me understand his concerns. Not much chance of that. When Graywolf was last sighted he was circling the globe on a equatorial orbiting satellite trying to understand the problems with polar orbiting satellite temperature estimating services not providing temperature estimates from high latitudes.
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Post by bryson on Dec 14, 2016 22:30:30 GMT
"Many people will suffer because of the climate change to a colder and wetter world; while other regions will have to deal with colder and drier conditions. The temperature declines will be significant, to say the least. I expect millions of Canadians will have to head further south into the U.S. simply to survive. And even at mid-latitudes, the impact of global cooling will be major. I've been preparing for a long time and am ready, but those who are not prepared are going to be in for a real series of climate/weather shocks from late 2017 onward into the next three decades." farmers better start turning to cold resistant crops or food production will decline.
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Post by icefisher on Dec 14, 2016 22:44:19 GMT
"Many people will suffer because of the climate change to a colder and wetter world; while other regions will have to deal with colder and drier conditions. The temperature declines will be significant, to say the least. I expect millions of Canadians will have to head further south into the U.S. simply to survive. And even at mid-latitudes, the impact of global cooling will be major. I've been preparing for a long time and am ready, but those who are not prepared are going to be in for a real series of climate/weather shocks from late 2017 onward into the next three decades." farmers better start turning to cold resistant crops or food production will decline. Yep! After getting a near look at it a few years ago in the Great Lakes Region, ice ages probably start with just a few inches of ice everywhere that doesn't melt in the summer. Not quite a glacier yet but nevertheless probably impossible to deal with.
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Post by mondeoman on Dec 14, 2016 22:54:23 GMT
i take it you are talking of equatorial orbiting Sats so where do you get your high 90's coverage when the amount of atmosphere passed through, north and south, ends up so fat? it is alright looking straight down through a couple of miles of atmosphere but looking through many miles as you try to penetrate north and south??? we have reasons for the 'cut off' or did you not know? if you know a way around it ( as your post alludes to?) hadn't you better let the Scientists working on such projects know of your breakthrough? But "calculating" a global average temperature from a reducing number of surface stations is perfectly acceptable? Ok, that works for me.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 14, 2016 23:28:50 GMT
i take it you are talking of equatorial orbiting Sats so where do you get your high 90's coverage when the amount of atmosphere passed through, north and south, ends up so fat? it is alright looking straight down through a couple of miles of atmosphere but looking through many miles as you try to penetrate north and south??? we have reasons for the 'cut off' or did you not know? if you know a way around it ( as your post alludes to?) hadn't you better let the Scientists working on such projects know of your breakthrough? But "calculating" a global average temperature from a reducing number of surface stations is perfectly acceptable? Ok, that works for me. Of course it works! Extrapolation, coupled with homogenization of the extrapolated results and reviewed/adjusted to ensure that the result is acceptable. If unacceptable, lose the data.
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Post by graywolf on Dec 18, 2016 21:18:14 GMT
data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/news/20161215/Well NASA's GISS for November came in as second highest and only 0.07c lower than last years record warm November? We seemed to have bottom out from the post nino fall and are now on the rise again? By April we will be well clear of the Nino signal so will have a stripped back look at where temps are? Will they be challenging 2014's record warm year or will they be after 2015's warmth?
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Post by icefisher on Dec 18, 2016 22:02:35 GMT
data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/news/20161215/Well NASA's GISS for November came in as second highest and only 0.07c lower than last years record warm November? We seemed to have bottom out from the post nino fall and are now on the rise again? By April we will be well clear of the Nino signal so will have a stripped back look at where temps are? Will they be challenging 2014's record warm year or will they be after 2015's warmth? Well I expect its all downhill from here. Anything anybody actually predicts is not going to be verifiable by any known means until at least June. I agree we will be clear of the residual El Nino temperature influence some time around April. The north Pacific is looking very cold. As we can see from the past several weeks the cold water continues to advance on into the northeastern Pacific.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 19, 2016 2:00:16 GMT
Anyone else having trouble getting to the Unisys site?
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 19, 2016 2:37:17 GMT
Just tried it. Came up okay.
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Post by graywolf on Dec 19, 2016 15:01:52 GMT
As we see across the Arctic areas bereft of ice take up heat so we might expect this early , and rapid, retreat in Antarctic Sea ice to already have open water in time for peak insolation (Dec/Jan Feb?) and so probably give a nudge to the overall Southern oceans tally?
With crazy anoms still across the Arctic we can look to nothing other than another warm input where once was cold? What will be interesting to watch is how the snow field in west Siberia decay over spring/early summer?
As for the Arctic? I'm sure we are all well used to the new year plots being very 'saw toothed' so we should really be expecting similar from this year especially weith peripheral areas still ice free?
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