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Post by socold on Dec 3, 2009 21:44:56 GMT
The raw station data are available from the ghcn ftp server as far as I am aware.
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Post by dwerth on Dec 3, 2009 22:26:25 GMT
Raw data, which is what we would need to use to verify anomalies can be purchased from the NOAA for $300 for a year's access to it. It states on their website that the data is delayed around 2-3 months. Below is the link. www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/mpp/freedata.html
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Post by Ratty on Dec 3, 2009 23:38:06 GMT
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Post by dwerth on Dec 3, 2009 23:48:39 GMT
Ratty -
The only way to answer the question of how "raw" the data is, would be to have direct access to the various sensor stations, their log books, and have be placed in a raw form directly onto the internet. However, we run the risk of looking like angry people rather than careful scientists. We need to be very careful, not only of the intent of our actions, but how others can percieve them. Unfortunately this is true in our pursuit of the truth.
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Post by magellan on Dec 4, 2009 2:56:20 GMT
The raw station data are available from the ghcn ftp server as far as I am aware. That is not the raw data.
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Post by poitsplace on Dec 4, 2009 6:16:08 GMT
This leads me to pose the question of: does anyone know how large the error bars should be for the UAH data set? I have looked and cannot find a reference to point out how precise it should be. They're about .2C...which leads to a bit of a problem, especially if someone is fudging the data even a little bit. If hadley/GISS fudged by .1C on the temps back in 1940 and we MIGHT actually be the same temperature!
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Post by socold on Dec 4, 2009 9:03:17 GMT
The raw station data are available from the ghcn ftp server as far as I am aware. That is not the raw data. How do you figure that? ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v2/v2.temperature.readme"The three raw data files are: v2.mean v2.max v2.min The versions of these data sets that have data which we adjusted to account for various non-climatic inhomogeneities are: v2.mean.adj v2.max.adj v2.min.adj Each line of the data file has: station number which has three parts: country code (3 digits) nearest WMO station number (5 digits) modifier (3 digits) (this is usually 000 if it is that WMO station)"
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