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Post by scpg02 on Mar 16, 2010 5:52:28 GMT
Obama wants to destroy the U.S. economy on AGW ideology. Do we have an economy left to destroy? |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Mar 16, 2010 14:24:57 GMT
Obama wants to destroy the U.S. economy on AGW ideology. Do we have an economy left to destroy? ;D Pretty good. It is beginning to look like we're just moving the rubble around, doesn't it? |
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Post by trbixler on Mar 23, 2010 2:35:43 GMT
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Post by poitsplace on Mar 23, 2010 6:20:53 GMT
Yeah, the sad thing is we already have countries with large percentages of wind power and it just doesn't work for them. Electricity is just one of those things you can't screw around with, it has to work all the time to work properly. Food spoils, hospital patients die, workers need scheduled hours. None of this can work "when the wind blows".
Another thing people haven't thought about is the climate cycles. The winds must change somewhat with the long term ocean (and obviously wind) currents. The number of sites that produce well during both parts of the cycles are probably a lot lower...and any sites planned using warming PDO/AMO wind data will be much more likely to fail now that we're into a cold cycle.
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Post by trbixler on Jun 9, 2010 15:23:47 GMT
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Post by touko on Jun 13, 2010 14:11:43 GMT
"I'd rather my wife made land mines than worked in the automobile industry "  Touko |
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Post by trbixler on Jun 13, 2010 14:25:26 GMT
"I'd rather my wife made land mines than worked in the automobile industry " Touko So you have given up all fossil fuel use and all modern transportation. You collect your own water and grow your own food, while recycling your personal waste. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 13, 2010 15:44:36 GMT
I wish man had not made such a wonderful habitat for deer. Their numbers have exploded over the past 50 years to the point they are a very large menace.
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Post by touko on Jun 13, 2010 16:44:19 GMT
Strange bedfellows! A radical animal rights campaigner like Mr. Delingpole teaming up with the denialists!
Touko
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 13, 2010 16:50:22 GMT
Strange bedfellows! A radical animal rights campaigner like Mr. Delingpole teaming up with the denialists! Touko What is a denialist Touko? |
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 13, 2010 16:51:10 GMT
By the way.....the earth is not flat anymore if that helps you any.
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Post by touko on Jun 13, 2010 16:55:52 GMT
What is a denialist Touko?
Denialist is a person who practices denialism. For a definition see e.g. the entry in Wikipedia.
Denialism is choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid an uncomfortable truth[1]: "[it] is the refusal to accept an empirically verifiable reality. It is an essentially irrational action that withholds validation of a historical experience or event."[2] In science, denialism has been defined as the rejection of basic concepts that are undisputed and well-supported parts of the scientific consensus on a topic in favor of ideas that are both radical and controversial
cheers,
Touko
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 13, 2010 17:08:49 GMT
What is a denialist Touko? Denialist is a person who practices denialism. For a definitinon see e.g. the entry in Wikipedia. Denialism is choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid an uncomfortable truth[1]: "[it] is the refusal to accept an empirically verifiable reality. It is an essentially irrational action that withholds validation of a historical experience or event."[2] In science, denialism has been defined as the rejection of basic concepts that are undisputed and well-supported parts of the scientific consensus on a topic in favor of ideas that are both radical and controversialcheers, Touko Thank you. By that definition, the supporters of AGW are denialists. Of course, I already knew that because you can show them emperical evidence, and they deny it exists. The deniers rely on models which have been shown to be useless because of the lack of understanding of the hydro cycle. www.itia.ntua.gr/en/docinfo/864/Thank you once again. The confirmation of the meaning of denialist is important in this discussion. |
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Post by touko on Jun 13, 2010 17:32:57 GMT
Thank you once again. The confirmation of the meaning of denialist is important in this discussion.
You're welcome as always!
cheers,
Touko
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Post by trbixler on Jun 13, 2010 23:50:51 GMT
Tax dollars blowin in the wind, forget the dead birds think base load with no wind. "Does money grow in wind farms?" "The key weasel word in that last sentence is “capacity”. The CO2 reduction figure assumes that all wind turbines are able to generate electricity to 100 per cent of their capacity, 100 per cent of the time. But the basic problem with wind power is that most of the time, the wind does not blow. A typical commercial turbine needs a wind speed of between 6-10mph to start operating – and automatically stops when the wind is more than around 55mph, to protect its mechanisms. Even when the wind is blowing between those speeds, it – and therefore the amount of electricity generated – is variable, and usually below the turbine’s full theoretical capacity. According to government figures, the average wind turbine operates to just 27 per cent of its capacity – even the industry only claims 30 per cent – and there are some grounds for suggesting that even this is a significant exaggeration. Professor Michael Jefferson, of the London Metropolitan Business School, says that in 2008 less than a fifth of onshore wind farms achieved 30 per cent capacity. One analysis of the government figures, albeit commissioned by wind farm opponents, suggested that Britain’s biggest wind farm – the 140-turbine installation at Whitelee, near East Kilbride – operated to just 7.3 per cent of its capacity that year. " wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/13/does-money-grow-in-wind-farms/ |
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