Where's the Heat, Cooling Oceans Apr 20, 2010 16:37:00 GMT
Post by magellan on Apr 20, 2010 16:37:00 GMT
Including you of course
I won't because I'm not a model expert. Willis has a part reference (a presentation he went to). I don't see he has the need to invent things. He seems quite happy to argue his corner.
Did Willis back up Pielke's proposition that the heat would be observed "transitting" the upper 700m? I didn't think so.
“The oceans are absorbing more than 80 percent of the heat from global warming,” he says. “If you aren’t measuring heat content in the upper ocean, you aren’t measuring global warming.”
Explain to us steve how heat can go undetected through the top 700m of water. How about this: the heat isn't there.
If 0.1W/m^2 is going into the top 100 metres of the ocean at the same time as 0.1W/m^2 is going from the top 100 metres to the next 100m etc. etc. etc.....and 0.1W/m^2 is going from the layer 700 metres down to the layers below, then I think you would be hard pushed to detect the transit of this energy by using ocean buoys. Simple really.
I should remind you before you get all excitable again, that I've bet on Willis in this argument.
It is a matter of faith then, not observational evidence. As such then, he should be able to tell us what the OHC in the upper 700m will be 5 years from now. Also, in case you've forgotten, Willis co-authored the Hansen 2005 paper, so he has boxed himself in a corner.
I've been following the OHC issue since 2006. You can go through Pielke's blog and just plug in 'Josh Willis'. Willis and Trenberth are squirming because they are running out of options. Pielke has them by their short hairs and they know it.
Trenberth has zero evidence there is heat "in the pipeline", which Pielke has deconstructed by his own calculations and supported by recent published research.