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Post by nautonnier on Nov 13, 2019 14:03:45 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 25, 2019 12:29:43 GMT
Tell me again that it is around midsummer in the Antipodes? Did someone not pass the message to the ocean? Where is the West Pacific warm pool the origin of El Nino?
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Post by blustnmtn on Nov 25, 2019 13:19:50 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 25, 2019 17:52:53 GMT
Good one Blu! So we still don't know what we don't know ... but are told that we do based on paradigm. Do they grade between poles based on funding? This caught my eye, partly because NOBODY has yet to explain "the Great Climate Shift of 1976", which kicks in coincident with the second half of the 2-part grand maximum and lasts for most of 3 solar cycles. Are we seeing another one now (opposite direction)? Their global map of the 0–2000 m depth OHC trend shows that Southern Hemisphere sub-tropical basins and the tropical Indian Ocean have positive OHC trends ,while the subpolar North Atlantic and subtropical North Pacific have lost heat. The map’s most striking feature is that most of the warming is in the Southern Hemisphere. They conclude that only a few, localised water masses are responsible for most of global OHC. (page 23) The longest and most consistently monitored OHC indicator may still be ENSO.
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Post by blustnmtn on Nov 25, 2019 21:31:44 GMT
Good one Blu! So we still don't know what we don't know ... but are told that we do based on paradigm. Do they grade between poles based on funding? This caught my eye, partly because NOBODY has yet to explain "the Great Climate Shift of 1976", which kicks in coincident with the second half of the 2-part grand maximum and lasts for most of 3 solar cycles. Are we seeing another one now (opposite direction)? Their global map of the 0–2000 m depth OHC trend shows that Southern Hemisphere sub-tropical basins and the tropical Indian Ocean have positive OHC trends ,while the subpolar North Atlantic and subtropical North Pacific have lost heat. The map’s most striking feature is that most of the warming is in the Southern Hemisphere. They conclude that only a few, localised water masses are responsible for most of global OHC. (page 23) The longest and most consistently monitored OHC indicator may still be ENSO. I just took a quick look at this one which may interest you Mo'boy: tos.org/oceanography/assets/docs/32-1_gebbie.pdf
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Post by Ratty on Nov 25, 2019 23:27:50 GMT
I think 'uncertainties' is quite an understatement wrt OHC. ** ** particularly when you consider all the heat hiding in the ocean depths.
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 26, 2019 0:15:23 GMT
I think 'uncertainties' is quite an understatement wrt OHC. ** ** particularly when you consider all the heat hiding in the ocean depths. It's right up there with the transmigration of souls.
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Post by acidohm on Nov 27, 2019 19:02:14 GMT
Tell me again that it is around midsummer in the Antipodes? Did someone not pass the message to the ocean? Where is the West Pacific warm pool the origin of El Nino? I think enso is relative Naut, as water propagates east, its on average colder that way so raises the ssta??
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 23, 2019 21:57:36 GMT
Tell me again that it is around midsummer in the Antipodes? Did someone not pass the message to the ocean? Where is the West Pacific warm pool the origin of El Nino? I think enso is relative Naut, as water propagates east, its on average colder that way so raises the ssta?? True - but see the updated graphic - there is a cold Humboldt current and cold now extending out into the Nino boxes in mid-Pacific. It does not look like an El Nino. Australia is probably at higher temperatures because of low humidity so the atmospheric enthalpy is low.
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Post by acidohm on Dec 23, 2019 22:21:10 GMT
I think enso is relative Naut, as water propagates east, its on average colder that way so raises the ssta?? True - but see the updated graphic - there is a cold Humboldt current and cold now extending out into the Nino boxes in mid-Pacific. It does not look like an El Nino. Australia is probably at higher temperatures because of low humidity so the atmospheric enthalpy is low. I see what your saying re:enthalpy. Sensible temperature as a measurement of atmospheric energy potential is insufficient..... You'd expect a dry atmosphere to cool much greater at night, how would this effect a longer term temp record compared to a less diurnialy variable more humid atmosphere?
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Post by nonentropic on Dec 24, 2019 0:57:10 GMT
The enthalpy discussion is most graphic at the poles but if the winds run south to north in Australia or anywhere in the SH the air warms and the RH falls defeating any chance of a dew point being breached through the day night cycle. Thus no water condensation temperature buffering.
Australia has had a hot week or two after a cool year with drying SW winds, it burns if the fools let the fuel load climb. Is this engineered stupidity or just innocent fools at work. I think we are in the transition from fools to engineered outcomes.
Will Australia's prime minister talk all the CAGW but actually get to work on the real problem fuel load?? We shall see. I'm not terribly hopeful given the federal and state system layers.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 24, 2019 1:49:05 GMT
The enthalpy discussion is most graphic at the poles but if the winds run south to north in Australia or anywhere in the SH the air warms and the RH falls defeating any chance of a dew point being breached through the day night cycle. Thus no water condensation temperature buffering. Australia has had a hot week or two after a cool year with drying SW winds, it burns if the fools let the fuel load climb. Is this engineered stupidity or just innocent fools at work. I think we are in the transition from fools to engineered outcomes. Will Australia's prime minister talk all the CAGW but actually get to work on the real problem fuel load?? We shall see. I'm not terribly hopeful given the federal and state system layers. A sensible solution will be seriously considered until the rains come and the fires go out.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 24, 2019 3:18:46 GMT
What happens if it doesn't rain for 30 years? That has happened in the past.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 24, 2019 4:08:15 GMT
What happens if it doesn't rain for 30 years? That has happened in the past. Please don't try to cheer me up.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 24, 2019 5:16:34 GMT
What happens if it doesn't rain for 30 years? That has happened in the past. Then Ratty will be the newest immigrant to Missouri that speaks English. Sort of.
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