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Post by donmartin on Jul 18, 2009 5:11:23 GMT
Socold, would you agree or disagree with the assertion that nothing can be known - that is, proven to a certainty?
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Post by steve on Jul 18, 2009 9:41:29 GMT
And OJ Simpson was found "not guilty", Steve. So what's your point? I've made *my* point. What is yours? There was no dispute about what the Kingsnorth protesters did. There *is* a dispute about what Simpson did. Basically, the prosecution were trying to shut down a lawful protest using heavy-handed legal tactics, and thankfully the jury saw through it. There was no real damage. The quoted "damage" of 30000 pounds was an entirely made up number. I ask again, if your politicians started damaging *your* property without undertaking their statutory duty to consult with you prior to doing so, would you let it happen? |
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Post by dopeydog on Jul 18, 2009 11:55:15 GMT
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Post by jimg on Jul 18, 2009 16:36:33 GMT
Steve,
you are justifying the defacement of private property by individuals "wishing to make a statement" in support of AGW.
A claim that Hansen believes as well.
As for OJ, he was found liable for almost cutting off his wife's head in a wrongful death civil suit.
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Post by steve on Jul 18, 2009 16:55:27 GMT
Steve, you are justifying the defacement of private property by individuals "wishing to make a statement" in support of AGW. A claim that Hansen believes as well. Sorry, the idea that a great big ugly black chimney can be "defaced" is laughable. Clearly the owners of Kingsnorth have rights *not* to have "Gordon Bin it" written on the side of it, but there is a balancing right of ordinary people to expect their governments to act properly on the advice they are receiving and the advice they have accepted. In this case they are clearly not doing so because they are attempting to deceive people about the emissions of Kingsnorth by talking about the as yet unfeasible carbon capture technology. Yes I support absolutely the right of direct action by citizens if it is measured, well-supported, causes no bodily harm, causes minimal damage and is not overly directed at specific defenceless people. I am happy for the courts in Britain to make a judgement about what consists of reasonable direct action, and what measures can be taken to prevent it. |
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Post by magellan on Jul 18, 2009 19:34:52 GMT
Steve, you are justifying the defacement of private property by individuals "wishing to make a statement" in support of AGW. A claim that Hansen believes as well. Sorry, the idea that a great big ugly black chimney can be "defaced" is laughable. Clearly the owners of Kingsnorth have rights *not* to have "Gordon Bin it" written on the side of it, but there is a balancing right of ordinary people to expect their governments to act properly on the advice they are receiving and the advice they have accepted. In this case they are clearly not doing so because they are attempting to deceive people about the emissions of Kingsnorth by talking about the as yet unfeasible carbon capture technology. Yes I support absolutely the right of direct action by citizens if it is measured, well-supported, causes no bodily harm, causes minimal damage and is not overly directed at specific defenceless people. I am happy for the courts in Britain to make a judgement about what consists of reasonable direct action, and what measures can be taken to prevent it. Would you quote the "rights" you speak of? You do know what a Right is? Let's suppose the power plants were shut down. What benefit would that be to "ordinary people"? |
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Post by dopeydog on Jul 18, 2009 21:38:31 GMT
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Post by jimg on Jul 18, 2009 23:56:58 GMT
Steve,
am I to presume that yourself and these ahem, individuals have sworn off the use of electricity unless you generate it yourself?
Oh but wait, your computer is comprised of plastics which are produced from fossil fuels.
The copper wiring connecting your internet required fuel in the form of hydrocarbons, nasty chemicals to separate it out, etc etc.
It seems that the Luddites are following the Lysenkos.
A dangerous mix if ever there was one.
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Post by icefisher on Jul 19, 2009 4:01:53 GMT
Steve, am I to presume that yourself and these ahem, individuals have sworn off the use of electricity unless you generate it yourself? Oh but wait, your computer is comprised of plastics which are produced from fossil fuels. The copper wiring connecting your internet required fuel in the form of hydrocarbons, nasty chemicals to separate it out, etc etc. It seems that the Luddites are following the Lysenkos. A dangerous mix if ever there was one. Steve is working his way up to being a jetsetter traveling the globe in a private jet to warn the people of the world against conspicuous consumption. There is great promise there. Al Gore has led an army of ex-public park soap box preachers to the promised land surpassing even the late night TV guy selling instructions on how to buy homes for 5 cents on the dollar. |
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Post by steve on Jul 19, 2009 13:56:47 GMT
Sorry, the idea that a great big ugly black chimney can be "defaced" is laughable. Clearly the owners of Kingsnorth have rights *not* to have "Gordon Bin it" written on the side of it, but there is a balancing right of ordinary people to expect their governments to act properly on the advice they are receiving and the advice they have accepted. In this case they are clearly not doing so because they are attempting to deceive people about the emissions of Kingsnorth by talking about the as yet unfeasible carbon capture technology. Yes I support absolutely the right of direct action by citizens if it is measured, well-supported, causes no bodily harm, causes minimal damage and is not overly directed at specific defenceless people. I am happy for the courts in Britain to make a judgement about what consists of reasonable direct action, and what measures can be taken to prevent it. Would you quote the "rights" you speak of? You do know what a Right is? It is a right expressed by the common law of England and Wales that is being wittled away by the current government under the guise of "anti-terrorism" laws. And fortunately the judiciary and the people are fighting back. Let's suppose the governments of the world took the threat from anthropogenic climate change properly rather than pretending to do so and then building more coal power stations and more airport runways that get through the planning process because the plans include untrue and unrealistic claims. The benefit to ordinary people might be that their children and grand children suffer less from our greed and excess. |
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Post by steve on Jul 19, 2009 14:04:56 GMT
Steve, am I to presume that yourself and these ahem, individuals have sworn off the use of electricity unless you generate it yourself? I'm pedalling furiously as I type (no "peddling" jokes please). |
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Post by icefisher on Jul 19, 2009 16:23:25 GMT
Let's suppose the governments of the world took the threat from anthropogenic climate change properly rather than pretending to do so and then building more coal power stations and more airport runways that get through the planning process because the plans include untrue and unrealistic claims. The benefit to ordinary people might be that their children and grand children suffer less from our greed and excess. Yeah a Somalian future is what you have in mind right? Those are peoples who shunned progress didn't build dams, insisted on donkey power rather than D9 power. Even a brief perusal of history should count for something. |
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Post by dopeydog on Jul 30, 2009 13:02:30 GMT
File under "The Return of the Jedi" Guess not everyone has gotten Jim's and Al's edict. The letters in the link below are to Rudy Baum, editor of the Amercian Chemical Society for his editorial titled “the science of anthropogenic climate change is becoming increasingly well established.” pubs.acs.org/cen/letters/87/8730letters.html |
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Post by woodstove on Jul 30, 2009 13:54:56 GMT
File under "The Return of the Jedi" Guess not everyone has gotten Jim's and Al's edict. The letters in the link below are to Rudy Baum, editor of the Amercian Chemical Society for his editorial titled “the science of anthropogenic climate change is becoming increasingly well established.” pubs.acs.org/cen/letters/87/8730letters.htmlNot everyone likes being lied to, it turns out. ;D |
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Post by stevenotsteve on Jul 30, 2009 19:44:24 GMT
I think what we need to deal with these climate extremists/protesters is a return of the SPG to give them a good baton charge and beat the living s**t out of them. It's a bit ridiculous that the protesters are complaining about the police not wearing badges whilst they are wearing balaclavas and smashing windows. Lets hope the next tory government will get tough with these losers.
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