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Post by hankslincoln on Dec 24, 2012 18:37:34 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 24, 2012 23:39:14 GMT
Interesting read hankslincoln.
Someone recieved a very poor education verses dollars spent it looks like.
This gives a whole new meaning to Skeptical Science Syndrome.
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Post by hankslincoln on Jan 1, 2013 15:18:04 GMT
No hidden agenda or bias in this research. It is as blatent as you can get. Highlights: "increase sea level rise exponentially higher" "non-linear ice sheet disintegration" "multi- meter sea level rise not only possible but likely" "oceans swallow up almost inconceivable chunks of coastline" summitcountyvoice.com/2012/12/31/global-warming-research-eyes-runaway-ice-melt/And of course there is that obligatory comment about raising taxes for the goverment and goverment funding of climate research. " putting an honest, gradually rising price on carbon emissions" I love how they so skillfully use the word " honest"
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 8, 2013 0:57:11 GMT
No hidden agenda or bias in this research. It is as blatent as you can get. Highlights: "increase sea level rise exponentially higher" "non-linear ice sheet disintegration" "multi- meter sea level rise not only possible but likely" "oceans swallow up almost inconceivable chunks of coastline" summitcountyvoice.com/2012/12/31/global-warming-research-eyes-runaway-ice-melt/And of course there is that obligatory comment about raising taxes for the goverment and goverment funding of climate research. " putting an honest, gradually rising price on carbon emissions" I love how they so skillfully use the word " honest" This paper has been picked up by New Scientist - which is as you would expect uncritically running with it. " A catastrophic rise in sea level before the end of the century could have a hitherto-unforeseen side effect. Melting icebergs might cool the seas around Greenland and Antarctica so much that the average surface temperature of the entire planet falls by a few degrees, according to unpublished work by climate scientist James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City.
While it might sound welcome, the temperature differences produced by the "iceberg cooling effect" could lead to even more climate chaos in a world already devastated by extreme weather. Winter storms, for instance, are powered by the temperature differences between the poles and the equator, so there might be storms of unprecedented ferocity.
And the temporary cooling would be deceptive. Due to the greenhouse effect, the planet as a whole would still be accumulating heat - it's just that vast amounts of heat would be going into melting ice and warming water. "It's a redistribution of heat energy," says Daniel Sigman of Princeton University, who studies the end of the last ice age and was not involved in Hansen's work." www.newscientist.com/article/dn23048-sea-level-rise-could-lead-to-a-cooler-stormier-world.htmlThere are illogicalities in the arguments and it looks to me that he is scattering the paper with the effects of cooling so he can claim that it is really warming. Have a read see what you think.
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Post by zaphod on Jan 8, 2013 1:24:00 GMT
The "end of the century" will be outside the lifetime of any parties to the present climate debates, so to that extent is an easy target for speculation. The question for the climate experts is, the degree to which the article is speculation. There are no details of the model relied upon and presumably this article cannot have been subjected to any form of review. The article is predicated upon "A catastrophic rise in sea level before the end of the century" . This idea has now hit the alarmist mainstream press here: www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2258398/Climate-change-Sea-level-rises-worse-feared-say-leading-scientists-tens-millions-likely-driven-homes.htmlPerhaps this is the establishment riposte to the statistical discrediting of AGW science recently.
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Post by karlox on Jan 8, 2013 5:55:58 GMT
The "end of the century" will be outside the lifetime of any parties to the present climate debates, so to that extent is an easy target for speculation. The question for the climate experts is, the degree to which the article is speculation. There are no details of the model relied upon and presumably this article cannot have been subjected to any form of review. The article is predicated upon "A catastrophic rise in sea level before the end of the century" . This idea has now hit the alarmist mainstream press here: www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2258398/Climate-change-Sea-level-rises-worse-feared-say-leading-scientists-tens-millions-likely-driven-homes.htmlPerhaps this is the establishment riposte to the statistical discrediting of AGW science recently. Ten years ahead I am sure many of our doubts and questions will have become certainties and new scientific worldwide accepted findings. Wo´n´t need that much time to know more! This is a personal analysis and feeling, nothing else. (not papers to link)
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Post by hankslincoln on Jan 17, 2013 12:48:31 GMT
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Post by hankslincoln on Jan 19, 2013 22:30:54 GMT
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Post by magellan on Jan 23, 2013 18:19:10 GMT
www.sys-con.com/node/2523162WASHINGTON, Jan. 23, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A group of 20 ex-NASA scientists have concluded that the science used to support the man-made climate change hypothesis is not settled and no convincing physical evidence exists to support catastrophic climate change forecasts.
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Post by karlox on Feb 1, 2013 18:15:17 GMT
www.sys-con.com/node/2523162WASHINGTON, Jan. 23, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A group of 20 ex-NASA scientists have concluded that the science used to support the man-made climate change hypothesis is not settled and no convincing physical evidence exists to support catastrophic climate change forecasts. Unfortunately enough catastrophic scenarios are very likey to occur short-mid time beyond AGW out-of-fashion Gambling Game that I believe is OVER.
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Post by hankslincoln on Feb 6, 2013 21:07:21 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 6, 2013 23:10:27 GMT
The problem with Dr. Hanson is that he has become so immersed that he has lost sight of reality.
I am sure he is a well meaning man. That does not change the fact that he is wrong.
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 6, 2013 23:36:39 GMT
The problem with Dr. Hanson is that he has become so immersed that he has lost sight of reality. I am sure he is a well meaning man. That does not change the fact that he is wrong. You are too charitable Sig. Anyone who cannot trust his argument without support of theatrics like overwhelming the air conditioning in the committee room on 'the hill' - has forfeited his 'well meaning' badge.
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Post by hankslincoln on Feb 7, 2013 1:09:51 GMT
The problem with Dr. Hanson is that he has become so immersed that he has lost sight of reality. I am sure he is a well meaning man. That does not change the fact that he is wrong. I suspect that given enough power his "well meaning" would be described differently by future history. The 20th century is filled with tyrants who were described once as well meaning. "If only Papa Joe knew how they were treating us" Gulag citizen circa 1935 or so. Bank robbers and other common criminals recognize themselves as such and they don't pretend higher motives; "banks are where the money is". When they are caught they go to prison and disappear for the most part. The criminals and thugs who believed they were uniquely needed to save the world, have historically killed others by the millions. The next one may kill by the billions. And that person may not even need to be a dictator.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 7, 2013 1:26:04 GMT
hankslincoln/nautonnier:
You both have very valid points.
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