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Post by boxman on Sept 7, 2011 14:23:20 GMT
So far september here has been warmer on average than average temp for both august and july. The daytime temps havent been much over 20c, but nights have been much warmer than usual.
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Post by boxman on Sept 7, 2011 14:25:37 GMT
It was the hottest summer since the records began in the early 1800s in Helsinki Kaisaniemi, and 2C over the long-time averages for the whole country, which happens 3-4 times in a century. One would still not know it's a Nordic autumn, were it not for some of the birches. I bet you will get punished again this winter like last ones though. Seems like the jet stream pattern that gives finland warmth is also responsible for last couple of winters.
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Post by numerouno on Sept 7, 2011 16:51:28 GMT
Seems like the jet stream pattern
Persistant negative phase of Arctic Oscillation, in other words. I predict this pattern will remain, due to the continuing loss of Arctic sea ice. I'm currently chainsawing the huge pile of semirotten wood the previous owner of my new house left in the back yard, so come what it may.
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Post by byz on Sept 8, 2011 7:23:30 GMT
Well here in the south of the UK it has definitely been Autumn since 3rd September. Dreadful Summer this year most of my tomatoes are still green Plus we had the wood burner on in August apparently it was the coldest Summer since 1993 here in the UK. I wonder what winter will bring
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Post by woodstove on Oct 9, 2011 12:05:58 GMT
I have returned with my family to the Ocean State -- Rhode Island -- principally so that the wife could be closer to her parents. I'm very happy about the move for several reasons, including loving her parents myself. Among the other reasons, high on the list, that the move has been positive: living near the sea again. Our home is half a mile from Narragansett Bay. The fall weather here has been alternately wet and glorious. We are experiencing a weekend of deep blue skies and 80-degree temperatures -- truly enchanting. The foliage is not very far advanced, but one does nonetheless happen upon single trees trumpeting the season with upward splashes of yellow, red, and orange. By the way, not one of your warmer autumns in the Arctic, so far. What this foretells, if anything, I don't know. ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 9, 2011 23:05:01 GMT
Here in the upper midwest, we have had our Indian Summer. It is now coming to an end.
During La Nina years, we normally have an extended fall, with an abrupt change to winter. So far, winter is not on the horizon....thankfully.....but the temps are going to return to seasonal averages.
We have had temps very similiar to our pattern of 1914. We broke a couple of records that were established in 1914. And this may have been 1919......I am tired. Very early 20th century in this area.
Lots of crop left to be harvested....soybeans, corn and spuds. Was too hot to dig spuds last week, so the soys came off for me. Not inmpressive yields by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by numerouno on Oct 10, 2011 14:21:37 GMT
Here in the upper midwest, we have had our Indian Summer. It is now coming to an end.My part of Subarcticum broke the all-time heat record for September 30 at about the same time. 22.3 C while the old national record (year 2000) was 19.3 degrees C. What a curious coincidence. www.ts.fi/online/kotimaa/261984.html
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Post by woodstove on Oct 10, 2011 15:42:00 GMT
Here in the upper midwest, we have had our Indian Summer. It is now coming to an end.My part of Subarcticum broke the all-time heat record for September 30 at about the same time. 22.3 C while the old national record (year 2000) was 19.3 degrees C. What a curious coincidence. www.ts.fi/online/kotimaa/261984.html OK, good, heat. What was the humidity during the previous record-"hot" month? And what was the humidity last month? And how many locations measured the humidity? And how many times a day did they do so? And how was the "average" humidity obtained? After you answer all that, then you'll be prepared to talk about "heat," OK? Also, please ignore the squirrels and other animals around you preparing for winter. Your (near) total reliance on fossil fuels allows you not to notice how vicious winter remains, how harmful cold weather is to human beings, etc. There was a time when homo sapiens recognized a September with mild temperatures as a blessing.
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Post by numerouno on Oct 12, 2011 9:23:15 GMT
A Concerned Mother: Ok Doc, I think you better see my baby real quick. She is as hot as a stove and I think she's getting lethargic now as well.
Dr Woodstove: What was the relative humidity when you took the measurement? At our Woodworks medical school we always carefully took down the humidity values for each patient. Here, take this simple hair hygrometer back with you and let me know where it settles. Please take several measurements throughout the day. "Temperature", that's just another word for "moisture".
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Post by woodstove on Oct 12, 2011 10:50:33 GMT
A Concerned Mother: Ok Doc, I think you better see my baby real quick. She is as hot as a stove and I think she's getting lethargic now as well. Dr Woodstove: What was the relative humidity when you took the measurement? At our Woodworks medical school we always carefully took down the humidity values for each patient. Here, take this simple hair hygrometer back with you and let me know where it settles. Please take several measurements throughout the day. "Temperature", that's just another word for "moisture". Oh, sorry, I thought we were going to talk about atmospheric heat. My bad. The comparison to a human patient reveals a shockingly thin understanding of atmospheric dynamics.
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Post by numerouno on Oct 12, 2011 18:53:17 GMT
Ok, why don't you share your secret formula of humidity against temperature that supposedly gives us the real temperature? Will a book follow?
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 12, 2011 22:45:32 GMT
Ok, why don't you share your secret formula of humidity against temperature that supposedly gives us the real temperature? Will a book follow? Don't need a book as this is somewhat well understood. The RH of the atmosphere is extremely important in the amount of heat contained within that atmosphere.
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Post by dusty09 on Oct 13, 2011 19:48:08 GMT
If its a book you are after I would recommend Engineering Thermodynamics by Cengel and Bowles. From memory the appendices had all the mollier diagrams and steam tables that you may need to calculate the heat content of air if you know the temp, pressure and humidity etc of your sample. I think a doctor would take into account a patients body mass when making a diagnosis based on temperature..... I'd find and ask one to be sure though....DYOR
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Post by byz on Oct 14, 2011 7:10:27 GMT
First post for a while (busy studying).
Anyway we are beginning to get some hints of colder weather here as we had a great indian summer ;D
We'll see what the next few weeks brings.
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Post by numerouno on Oct 14, 2011 13:33:03 GMT
Don't need a book as this is somewhat well understood. The RH of the atmosphere is extremely important in the amount of heat contained within that atmosphere.
Temperature is though what keeps being mentioned in the news and in the forecasts for the public. Are we being misled by people of science?
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