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Post by glennkoks on Jul 9, 2012 3:57:12 GMT
trbixler, With the scope of our problems I think anyone on that Congressional panel that went after Roger should be bounced out of office. We have bigger fish to fry. With "The Fiscal Cliff" lurking shortly after the election in November you think our elected officials on both sides of the aisle would be working on it.
Regardless of the winner the market stands to lose billions and billions of dollars in the weeks after the election. Wealth and confidence that we cannot afford to lose will be squandered in the weeks leading up the the deadline when they should be working on a long term plan to get us out of the mess we are in or magellan will be right we will all be screwed.
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Post by trbixler on Jul 9, 2012 14:13:51 GMT
So it make no difference. None at all. "Unemployment Rate Dropped In Every State That Elected A Republican Gov. In 2010" "In 2010, influenced by the Tea Party and its focus on fiscal issues, 17 states elected Republican governors. And, according to an Examiner.com analysis, every one of those states saw a drop in their unemployment rates since January of 2011. Since January of 2011, here is how much the unemployment rate declined in each of the 17 states that elected Republican governors in 2010, according to theExaminer: Kansas - 6.9% to 6.1% = a decline of 0.8 [percentage points (11.6 percent)] Maine - 8.0% to 7.4% = a decline of 0.6 [percentage points (7.5 percent)] Michigan - 10.9% to 8.5% = a decline of [2.4 percentage points (22 percent)] New Mexico - 7.7% to 6.7% = a decline of [1.0 percentage points (13 percent)] Oklahoma - 6.2% to 4.8% = a decline of [1.4 percentage points - (22.6 percent)] Pennsylvania - 8.0% to 7.4% = a decline of [.6 percentage points (7.5 percent)] Tennessee - 9.5% to 7.9% = a decline of [1.6 percentage points (16.8 percent)] Wisconsin - 7.7% to 6.8% = a decline of [0.9 percentage points (11.9 percent)] Wyoming - 6.3% to 5.2% = a decline of [1.1 percentage points (17.5 percent)] Alabama - 9.3% to 7.4% = a decline of [1.9 percentage points (20.4 percent)] Georgia - 10.1% to 8.9% = a decline of [1.2 percentage points (11.9 percent)] South Carolina - 10.6% to 9.1% = a decline of [1.5 percentage points (14.2 percent)] South Dakota - 5.0% to 4.3% = a decline of [0.7 percentage points (14 percent)] Florida - 10.9% to 8.6% = a decline of [2.3 percentage points (21 percent)] Nevada - 13.8% to 11.6% = a decline of [2.2 percentage points (15.9 percent)] Iowa - 6.1% to 5.1% = a decline of [1.0 percentage points (16.4 percent)] Ohio - 9.0% to 7.3% = a decline of [1.7 percentage points (18.9 percent)] " www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/07/Unemployment-Rate-Dropped-In-Every-State-That-Elected-A-Republican-Gov-In-2010
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 9, 2012 14:42:23 GMT
trbixler, You just gave a perfect example of being blinded by partisan politics or just seeing what you want to see. Just about every states unemployment has dropped since 2011 whether or not they elected a Democrat or a Republican or kept an incumbent.
And so has our national unemployment rate under Obama.
Sounds like the author of the article is trying to assign credit exclusively to the Tea Party for something that has been happening on a national level despite who was elected in 2010.
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 9, 2012 14:43:21 GMT
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Post by icefisher on Jul 9, 2012 18:57:47 GMT
trbixler, You just gave a perfect example of being blinded by partisan politics or just seeing what you want to see. Just about every states unemployment has dropped since 2011 whether or not they elected a Democrat or a Republican or kept an incumbent. And so has our national unemployment rate under Obama. Sounds like the author of the article is trying to assign credit exclusively to the Tea Party for something that has been happening on a national level despite who was elected in 2010. Does partisan politics cause one to equate "just about every state" with "all states"? If you want to provide a meaningful refutation you need to quantify what "just about" means. Going alphabetically down the list of states with democrat governors Arkansas, California, Colorado, and Connecticut shows all those states with higher unemployment 2011 compared to 2009 according to your source.
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 9, 2012 22:12:18 GMT
icefisher, how many states saw unemployment increases from 2010-2011 which was the claim made in trbixler's post? Correct me if I am wrong but he claims and I quote:
"In 2010, influenced by the Tea Party and its focus on fiscal issues, 17 states elected Republican governors. And, according to an Examiner.com analysis, every one of those states saw a drop in their unemployment rates since January of 2011.
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 9, 2012 22:34:05 GMT
According to the link only 3 states saw unemployment increase from 2010-2011 and they were Ark (D), Miss (R) and the District of Columbia. So that just about makes trbixler's article worthless in my opinion. But it makes for a good soundbite until you look deeper.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 9, 2012 23:38:02 GMT
Once in awhile there is a speach that bears remembering or a quote.
This is one quote that can go with Pres Eisenhowers warnings that could be used very effectively.
“And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.”
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2012 2:14:50 GMT
From Wiki: "Overall the United States government is spending about $1 trillion annually on defense-related purposes.[19]
The defense industry tends to contribute heavily to incumbent members of Congress.[20]"
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 10, 2012 2:18:28 GMT
President Eisenhower:
" In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron."
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Post by magellan on Jul 10, 2012 5:24:28 GMT
President Eisenhower: " In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron." Eisenhower greatly increased military spending during his administration. Again Sigurdur, it was Eisenhower who warned of the influence and spread of Communism, and did much to prevent it. The very weapons he despised were massively produced under his direction, so let's not pretend he was a prelude to the anti-war movement of the 60's. Then there was Iran; that didn't work out so well. When evil men no longer can force their will upon other men, there will be no need for these weapons of war. Is the world a safer place than 1938? Would Eisenhower make drastic cuts in military spending today if he were president today? I dare say he would not. The U.S. was nearly crippled by a small island nation called Japan. Had our aircraft carriers been in Pearl Harbor like they were supposed to be, we may have seen a different outcome after 12/7/1941. Yes, "peace in our time". Let's lay down and pretend the world would be a better place if only the U.S. didn't spend so much on Defense. Nonsense. [youtube] www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls&feature=related[/youtube]Lincoln despised war as well: A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new — North as well as South.
War is a horrible thing. My dad was on Guadalcanal for 18 months; it was a terrible ordeal which he rarely spoke of until shortly before he died in 2001.
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Post by Pooh on Jul 10, 2012 5:36:17 GMT
Don't forget Eisenhower's other warning: “Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded." Eisenhower, Dwight David. “Eisenhower’s Farewell Address to the Nationâ€, January 17, 1961. www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/dwightdeisenhowerfarewell.html
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Post by magellan on Jul 10, 2012 6:23:40 GMT
Don't forget Eisenhower's other warning: “Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded." Eisenhower, Dwight David. “Eisenhower’s Farewell Address to the Nationâ€, January 17, 1961. www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/dwightdeisenhowerfarewell.htmlThanks for bringing it up. That is what we are seeing today in this AGW cult religion. Also, the Eisenhower quote used over and over as if it is a call to shrink our military to that of days during the Great Depression, omit this portion of Eisenhower's speech. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. Of these, I mention two only.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears little relation to that known of any of my predecessors in peacetime, or, indeed, by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States cooperations -- corporations.
Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society. Near as I can tell, there hasn't been a military coup, and the world is no less dangerous. Who actually believes cutting Defense will result in anything but diverting those monies into more social welfare spending? That said, there should be watchdogs keeping tabs on where the money is going in the military, and politicians using it for their own gain. Remember 'Wag the Dog'?
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Post by magellan on Jul 10, 2012 12:42:46 GMT
Perhaps Eisenhower was warning of this;
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Post by trbixler on Jul 10, 2012 13:29:48 GMT
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