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Post by glennkoks on Jun 18, 2012 17:44:12 GMT
Magellan, Once again there is no amount of evidence ever going to appease you. Everything is going to be fake or covered up. Personally I think the nutjobs in the Tea Party are doing a great disservice to the GOP by focusing so much attention on birth certificates, muslim, get your guns and other ridiculous statements when they should be focusing on the economy.
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 18, 2012 17:53:02 GMT
sigurdur, I will vote for any candidate regardless of party affiliation who runs on a platform that includes cuts to the military, entitlement reform and raising taxes on not just the rich but everyone.
The military and entitlements account for about 60% of our overall budget and no serious reductions will take place until we address these areas. Any politician who says different is lying.
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Post by magellan on Jun 18, 2012 17:56:13 GMT
magellan: When you look at the current tax laws, and follow the trails, many were proposed and passed by Republicans. The tax laws favor the wealthy, no question about that. I am an old Eisenhower conservative, and do the same thing as Glenn does. I have written in Ron Paul for the past 2 election cycles. I will be doing it again. There is an easy fix to our fiscal problems. It requires an increase in revenue, and a freeze in spending at the Fed level....period. The freeze has to come first, yet no one wants to freeze spending. There seems to be approx 10 folks out of the Senate and House who are serious. Rep Ryan certainly isn't. His prposal is a joke as it does not address revenue NOR spending. Only increases spending. I don't think there are enough of us left anymore who understand economics and what the current path entails. And it pisses me off because I have two young daughters and now two grandchildren. Their opportunity is being squandered. Peter Schiff is an avid active Ron Paul supporter, even more Libertarian than Ron Paul. He would rather pay taxes per the Eisenhower era precisely for opposite reasons you state; as a wealthy business man he'd be paying LESS in taxes. I listen to him a few days a week, and that is what he says verbatim. The reasons are too long to type via my phone. At this point Elmer Fudd would be a better pick than allowing Obama have another 4 years wrecking the country. Ron Paul lost, that is the reality. My guy didn't get the nomination either, but this election is about saving the country from a lawless man who hates America. Fundamentally transforming America is not just a slogan. Even Peter Schiff understands this. Ron Paul would NOT return to the tax structure of 50`s whether you think so or not. He would in fact reduce taxes and the cost of doing business. You still have not given specifics on how Republicans are diverting monies to themselves. I very much dislike vague rhetoric. Actually, it was JFK that promoted lowering the top marginal tax rate, not Republicans. 49% do not pay income taxes. Who is paying them? There isn't enough money in the system to pay for the size of this government, no matter who they confiscate it from. P.S Two more Leftist Supreme Court appointments and your grandkids don't have a snowball's chance in hell. Is that worth throwing your vote away for a man who will lock in 30 years of guaranteed Progressive (anti-constitutional) SCOTUS? |
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 18, 2012 18:43:16 GMT
Magellan:
TARP ring a bell for ya? That is just one instance.
Repeal of Glass/Steagall ring a bell?
I stopped supporting the Republican party quite some time ago. They completely left me. When Stockman and Walker resigned from the Reagan administration because of the wealth transfer......I started digging a bit more. I will freely admit that my stint in the US Navy opened my eyes a lot. Very high security clearance will do that.
I vote....and NO vote is thrown away that is cast. The ONLY way to stop the current insanity is to vote my conscience. And I am very proud to look at myself in the mirror in the mornings....knowing I have done what I can to try and rectify our current situation.
I am not jelous, but when Romney pays less than 1% income taxes, yet earns 24 million+.......tell me again that taxes are not screwed up?
And his tax bite, at 14.7%, which included capital gains taxes, is less that I pay just in s/s and med?.....tell me that something is not out of kilter.
The deck is stacked.....either you make a LOT of money....or no money. Those of us in between are getting hosed.
It wouldn't be so bad if it was spent wisely.....but we can't even do that.
WHEN we spend over 1 TRILLION on security..and our next largest rival spends 100 billion.....that tells me we are getting one piss POOR return. A VERY poor return.
And the fools follow fools....President Eisenhower warned us....but most have put ear plugs in and do not want to hear. We have a 2nd amendment.....we do NOT need to spend huge sums on the military. The savings that SHOULD be happening should be used to lower the deficit. Every bomb is a dead end money pit.....and doesn't produce a single thing.
Romney is as nuts as Obama. There isn't a lick of difference between the two.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 18, 2012 23:50:37 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 19, 2012 13:48:48 GMT
sigurdur, Intrade, the Irish futures website allows people to wager on elections in the U.S. and around the world. It has an impressive accuracy rate on elections. Currently Mr. Obama has a slight advantage.
And I agree that Romney is just as nuts as Obama. He insured my vote would go to Ron Paul when he said that he would not cut the military budget. That was an indication that he was not serious about reducing our debt and deficit.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 19, 2012 20:10:23 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 19, 2012 20:52:54 GMT
Sigurdur, no it does not. The GOP has a way of appealing to the lowest common denominator at the cost of moderate rightward leaning votes. I think as a nation the majority of voters are center right and would vote Republican more times than not if given a valid option.
Backing themselves into a corner concerning taxation and refusing to budge to the point where they would risk a credit downgrade does not help either. The "Taxed enough already" crowd would have a heart attack if they were paying an effective tax rate anywhere near that of what their parents. were and it is clear that trickle down does not work.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 20, 2012 1:39:50 GMT
glenn: The only thing that trickles down is shit.
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Post by magellan on Jun 21, 2012 17:34:26 GMT
I'm trying to figure out why either of you are voting (actually non-voting) for Ron Paul. Ron Paul would eliminate the income tax and IRS and not replace it. So much for raising taxes on the rich. Ron Paul believes government has no right to confiscate wealth based on one's ability to pay. See, that is Marxism. A key plank of the Communist Manifesto is the progressive income tax. This was well established during the 1950's during the "Eisenhower" years. The official number of those not paying Federal income tax is now at ~49.5%. The "rich" is not in that category. The top 50% pay >95% of the taxes. 20% of the 49.5% who pay no Federal income tax receive earned income tax credits; welfare. In essence, about 1/2 the population is paying for the other 1/2. I'm all in favor of "fairness", so how about the freeloaders start paying taxes. The glory days of the Eisenhower era was a tax system based on the Communist Manifesto. Ouch, that hurts. Further, it is well known and proven throughout history high taxes does not raise revenue. All this information is readily available. If Ron Paul won the nomination I'd vote for him. But he lost, so you may as well write in a vote for Krusty the Clown; the effect is the same. glenn: The only thing that trickles down is shit. And that statement right there tells me voting for Ron Paul has nothing to do with his economic policies. TARP- Ron Paul voted no. He is a capitalist. ethanol- Ron Paul would eliminate all Federal subsidies. Oops, he's a capitalist there too. glass/steagall act- Ron Paul does not support it. He voted no to repeal because, as recently has occurred with JP Morgan, whenever the government guarantees depositor's money, the taxpayer is left holding the bag. S&L, housing bubble....you name it, Ron Paul would blame government intervention. He is a capitalist. So explain to me how the 50's tax structure would benefit our economy, and how a 91% top marginal rate is "fair". Not a lick of difference between Romney and Obama? You're kidding right? |
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 21, 2012 23:59:21 GMT
"The glory days of the Eisenhower era was a tax system based on the Communist Manifesto. Ouch, that hurts. Further, it is well known and proven throughout history high taxes does not raise revenue. All this information is readily available."
Magellan, winning WWII and freeing the world from tyranny cost us dearly. FDR, Truman and Eisenhower realized that for America to remain great we had to pay off our debt. Hence the high tax rates of the 40's and 50's.
The problem with you and you're tea party friends is they don't want to make the sacrifices necessary to right the ship. You clearly don't realize that there is a back side to the Laffer Curve and we fell off it. Bush's tax cuts during a time of not one but two wars was tantamount to economic suicide.
It's a good thing that we had someone like Eisenhower to lead us through WWII and during the recovery or we would have collapsed under the weight of our own debt. The mere fact that you refer to his plan for economic recovery as something from the "Communist Manifesto" is about as moronic as your fantasy that we can produce fuel from coal for anywhere near 20 dollars a barrel equivalent.
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Post by hairball on Jun 22, 2012 2:06:08 GMT
Sigurdur, if you see this, please tell me that it is an elaborate joke. "A train carrying 104 tank cars of crude from the Bakken oil fields in North Dakota came through Maine last weekend on a 2,435-mile journey to the Irving Oil refinery in Saint John, New Brunswick . . . Each of the 104 cars carried roughly 700 barrels of oil." www.pressherald.com/business/oil-by-rail-trend-has-potential-for-maine_2012-05-30.htmlBe sure to real the full article.  |
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 22, 2012 2:33:13 GMT
hairball:
I am sad to tell you that this is no joke. The increase in freight tankers is upsetting the lines in ND.
Rail is not a safe way to transport oil compared to pipeline. However, it is extremely difficult to get a pipeline built.....and the rail roads are already there.
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Post by hairball on Jun 22, 2012 2:45:05 GMT
Sigurdur;
This is disgusting in many ways.
* there will be a train wreck soon or later worse than any possible pipeline leak
* why refine American crude in Canada?! And then bring it back - smells like a tax scam
* refineries on the Mexican Gulf coast must be closer than the 2,500 miles to Atlantic Canada
* build a pipeline for God's sake
It's insane.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 22, 2012 2:45:50 GMT
Magellan:
I can not vote for President Obama....he is a proven poor leader.
I can not vote for Romney.....he is a clone of President Obama.
Romney has supported the Ryan plan. That Ryan plan does not address our continued debt increase, in fact it increases it and spends the money on MORE military.
I may be stupid.....but i am not dumb.
My vote for Ron Paul is not a "wasted" vote. There has never been a legitimate vote cast in the USA that has been wasted. Voting, in our country, is what starts change. WE need a leader who is willing to address our debt and spending.....and raise taxes and freeze spending.
President Eisenhower, in one of the biographies I have read, resisted tremendous pressure to lower taxes. He stated that his responsability was to COUNTRY....not the few that would benifit from lowering taxes.
You talk about taxes.......the only reason that 50% pay no taxes now is that their income is so low. The Earned Income Tax credit was started under Reagan. It was done as a subsidy to business interests. Read Walkers books......he tells all about the sheninangins that happened when Pres Reagan was in office.
What the earned income credit did was allow the US government to borrow cheaply....pay a "dividend" as it has been called to workers. All the while the monied interests got richer and concentrated wealth.
I have two young daughters, and now two very young grandchildren. One is only 2 1/2 weeks old. The stupidity of spending over 1 trillion on security is killing their future. The stupidity of duplicate govt programs is killing their future.
Romeny will continue the ways to kill their future as would President Obama. Ron Paul would start by reducing spending on the military.........which is required.
He would also introduce personal responsability.........knowing that the Gvt does NOT create jobs.
Yes, he has his flaws, but compared to President Obama or Romney..he looks like a saint.
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