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Post by sigurdur on Mar 13, 2021 18:55:17 GMT
Yep
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 13, 2021 19:47:26 GMT
Raise the meaningless and virtual number - social cost of carbon which is what Biden has just done. (Cheered on by Kerry and Harris) "Biden raises social cost of carbon, restoring key climate policy tool slashed by Trump
President Biden on Friday raised the social cost of carbon, a little-known but important number that informs a wide range of policies regulating industry and energy production. Mr. Biden's action restores the number to its Obama-era price-tag, and reestablishes a working group that calculates the economic impact of pollution.
The social cost of carbon is an estimate of the long-term damage, in dollars, of carbon on our environment. Former President Trump disbanded the interagency working group (IWG) that determined the number in 2017, and directed agencies to drastically devalue the social cost of carbon. Biden's announcement restores the IWG, and brings the cost of carbon back up to $51 per ton of carbon dioxide.
That number, however, was settled on by the IWG prior to the group being disbanded in 2017, and does not reflect "recent developments in the science and economics" of climate change, according to a technical support document released by the working group on Friday. The IWG has now been tasked with recalculating the social cost of carbon — as well as the social cost of other greenhouse gases — and providing an updated number by January 2022."www.cbsnews.com/news/carbon-social-cost-raised-by-biden/If this was calculated correctly the cost would be negative It would seem that a "social cost of being wrong" value should also be calculated. There should be something similar to the hippocratic oath taken by all public servants. First do no harm.
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Post by nonentropic on Mar 13, 2021 20:36:38 GMT
so if we were to calculate this it would be a negative cost as the benefit to date is real and unlikely to become negative.
Hell paying fracers to get going wow.
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 15, 2021 18:25:05 GMT
It will need the States to really go hard at this.
Standard you can have federal money but ONLY if you give up your State's rights in the constitution. This of course is not possible to do and remain within the Constitution.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 16, 2021 17:27:59 GMT
Talking to a local small to mid-sized cattleman here in North Boone County who mows the hay on the family farm. One of many many old time Yellow Dog Democrats that have largely left (fled) the Democrat pary over the last few decades. His costs of operation have been going up a lot (primarily diesel), particularly since the election. The prices of regular gasoline here has gone up about a $1 dollar a gallon, mostly since the election. For whatever combination of reasons, with most(?) of them attributible to policy, expectation of policy and good old fashioned gouging(?) because they know that the Democrats will not drop the hammer on their heads because it fits what they want to happen ... i.e. carbon to be more expensive so you can drive useage down. Of course. ALL prices in one way or another have carbon as minor to major input. Expect price inflation in probably all products, with some that are fuel intensive becoming extreme. Ranching and farming in general are relatively carbon intensive. So expect higher food prices. Beef prices, which have soared, will soar higher. May become the food of the "elite" because the working man cannot afford it. Down to chicken and pork folks and those have carbon inputs as well. Watch out Bambi. Pouching will rise. The local rancher I referred to is quiet about politics until he "feels" where you stand. Traditional Missouri habit perhaps going way back to when the wrong answer might get you shot or hung on the spot. That's what happens to partisans of the "wrong persuasion" when things go very bad. Then you detect the local disgust and despise in the air. Few in the countryside really blink anymore (my impression) when you call "Ds" Communists. Some may, but a lot of agreement in the eyes, if not yet in the actions. The Obama "hope and change" message is morphing into something he maybe did not envision.
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Post by walnut on Mar 17, 2021 2:47:26 GMT
Talking to a local small to mid-sized cattleman here in North Boone County who mows the hay on the family farm. One of many many old time Yellow Dog Democrats that have largely left (fled) the Democrat pary over the last few decades. His costs of operation have been going up a lot (primarily diesel), particularly since the election. The prices of regular gasoline here has gone up about a $1 dollar a gallon, mostly since the election. For whatever combination of reasons, with most(?) of them attributible to policy, expectation of policy and good old fashioned gouging(?) because they know that the Democrats will not drop the hammer on their heads because it fits what they want to happen ... i.e. carbon to be more expensive so you can drive useage down. Of course. ALL prices in one way or another have carbon as minor to major input. Expect price inflation in probably all products, with some that are fuel intensive becoming extreme. Ranching and farming in general are relatively carbon intensive. So expect higher food prices. Beef prices, which have soared, will soar higher. May become the food of the "elite" because the working man cannot afford it. Down to chicken and pork folks and those have carbon inputs as well. Watch out Bambi. Pouching will rise. The local rancher I referred to is quiet about politics until he "feels" where you stand. Traditional Missouri habit perhaps going way back to when the wrong answer might get you shot or hung on the spot. That's what happens to partisans of the "wrong persuasion" when things go very bad. Then you detect the local disgust and despise in the air. Few in the countryside really blink anymore (my impression) when you call "Ds" Communists. Some may, but a lot of agreement in the eyes, if not yet in the actions. The Obama "hope and change" message is morphing into something he maybe did not envision. We bought diesel for $2.39/gallon for literally years. Now it's bouncing around over $3. That's a big input cost increase and it's obviously a really big deal. It's not so much the cost of diesel as it is evidence that the dollar collapsed this winter. When the people realize that the fed has run out of practical tools to keep the shell game going, we are in for some trouble.
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Post by gridley on Mar 17, 2021 12:31:19 GMT
We bought diesel for $2.39/gallon for literally years. Now it's bouncing around over $3. That's a big input cost increase and it's obviously a really big deal. It's not so much the cost of diesel as it is evidence that the dollar collapsed this winter. When the people realize that the fed has run out of practical tools to keep the shell game going, we are in for some trouble. Odd thought - in both the Revolution and the Civil War it was the separatist faction's currency that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. Might we see this reversed in what is coming?
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 17, 2021 15:39:19 GMT
We bought diesel for $2.39/gallon for literally years. Now it's bouncing around over $3. That's a big input cost increase and it's obviously a really big deal. It's not so much the cost of diesel as it is evidence that the dollar collapsed this winter. When the people realize that the fed has run out of practical tools to keep the shell game going, we are in for some trouble. Odd thought - in both the Revolution and the Civil War it was the separatist faction's currency that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. Might we see this reversed in what is coming? Well, the "Blue" States have a larger supply of many natural resources. In the far West, these were historically controled by the big eastern interests. Let's pick one as a store of value. The cyrpto folks might promote the "Monero Dinero". Easterners might be just left with the crypt.
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 17, 2021 16:04:40 GMT
Now for something entirely different ..... "Starlink's latent China crisis could spark a whole new world of warcraft The politics of a global decentralised high-speed public internet service
2020 was, by general consent, a bit naff. Everyone moped around not doing much. Everyone except Elon Musk, who pushed some 800 radiating routers into low-earth orbit (LEO) atop his personal fleet of reusable space rockets. As you do.
This year he's already lofted another 200 Starlink satellites, including the first few with frickin' laser links. At 60 birds a throw and a launch cadence of roughly once a week, Starlink is set to hit its first operational target of more than 4,000 orbiters by the end of 2021.
Such relentless industrial production line performance masks the many levels on which Starlink is an enormous – and potentially dangerous – experiment. Not just to Musk, although the financial model is murky. How much each launch actually costs isn't clear; SpaceX doesn't have to show its internal accounting and nobody has run a fleet of reusable boosters before. But it's very obvious that if you don't have your own fleet of recyclable rocketry, you won't be able to compete at Starlink's level.
The network topology isn't clear either, nor is the regulatory framework for a truly global, public access, high-performance internet service. And it is the combination of these two experiments that is most interesting, with the greatest potential to provide wild success – or a spectacular kindling of a new era of warfare. You know, the sort with real guns."Much More Here> www.theregister.com/2021/03/15/starlink_china_crisis/?td=keepreading-mostread-aua_4p-top
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 17, 2021 17:02:08 GMT
www.amazon.com/Green-Fraud-Deal-Worse-Think-ebook/dp/B08JMBVW6J/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=green+fraud&qid=1616000316&s=digital-text&sr=1-1“Green Fraud: Why the Green New Deal Is Even Worse Than You Think is the ultimate guidebook to exposing and fighting this Marxist plan masquerading as environmental policy. . . . If you care about America’s future, read this book.” —Mark R. Levin, author and nationally syndicated TV and radio broadcaster “This is a must-read book that shows how the Green New Deal is dangerous, impractical, misguided, and guaranteed to fail with disastrous results for the American people.” —Sean Hannity, host of Hannity on Fox News and of the nationally syndicated radio program The Sean Hannity Show “In Green Fraud, Morano shows that the growing movement from the Left isn’t about the climate at all—it’s about controlling every aspect of American lives and implementing broad, socialist policies.” —Senator James Inhofe “The Green New Deal is one of the gravest threats facing America. This indispensable book is the most comprehensive takedown of the plan you will ever read.” —Brent Bozell, founder of the Media Research Center “Don’t be climate hustled, read this book.” —Kevin Sorbo, actor and narrator of the film Climate Hustle 2 “Marc Morano’s book Green Fraud provides a factual scientific and political account of the Green New Deal and other misanthropic and self-serving schemes of the global elite and their opportunistic or deluded acolytes.” —Will Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics emeritus, Princeton University “Morano is truly the Pete Rose and Hank Aaron of climate contrarians.” —Steven Hayward of Power Line “Morano’s probably single-handedly, in a civilian sense, the guy (other than me, of course) doing a better job of ringing the bells alarming people of what’s going on here.” —Rush Limbaugh, nationally syndicated radio host and bestselling author
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Post by flearider on Mar 17, 2021 23:14:31 GMT
seems your catching us up .. as it would be $4.77 + a usa gallon here
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 18, 2021 0:39:14 GMT
seems your catching us up .. as it would be $4.77 + a usa gallon here But yours is mostly taxes? Ours is mostly stupid Democrats.
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Post by gridley on Mar 18, 2021 12:50:34 GMT
seems your catching us up .. as it would be $4.77 + a usa gallon here But yours is mostly taxes? Ours is mostly stupid Democrats. What's the difference? :-)
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 18, 2021 16:44:06 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 18, 2021 16:47:42 GMT
But yours is mostly taxes? Ours is mostly stupid Democrats. What's the difference? :-) How many hours do you have?
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