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Post by sigurdur on Jul 6, 2012 23:46:54 GMT
One quick correction magellan. On this item I am very well versed:
"¡To keep a balanced budget, President Dwight Eisenhower, a five-star Army general and lifelong Republican, slashed defense spending by 27 percent after the armistice ended the Korean War."
FY 1954......military budget 403,058. FY 1960....military budget. 382,745. IF someone has told you President Eisenhower increased spending on the military they are flat out lying to you and do not know the numbers.
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 7, 2012 1:11:50 GMT
sigurdur, How dare you bring up that communist Eisenhower's slashing of the defense budget . Can't you understand that if he would have cut taxes we would have generated 10 trillion dollars in taxes!
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 7, 2012 1:47:37 GMT
Glenn: I have relatives who shared a birthday party with President Eisenhower. Sat right next to him for 5 years running on their birthdays. They stoked my interest in him. I have been to his library, listened to his speaches. He was not perfect by any means, but he had one central thought. Preservation of our Great Nation. He KNEW that debt had to be repaid. He didn't care what the "rich" folks who controlled capital told him. He was a somewhat simple man, but a very dedicated man.
At his library there is a recording of a meeting when he was present discussing tax issues. That is where the fudiciary responsability remark came from. Capital was flowing freely, even with the tax rates. He could see debt being paid down, yet had the vision to start the interstate highway. He also declared that anyone who sent troops to the middle east should be tried for treason. He appologized to the nation for the troops he sent to the Suez.....and they were there for a whole 3 weeks. That is how strongly he felt about this. He also indicated that he had a large blight in his presidency. That was the overthrow of the President of Iran. Dulles and the CIA and M6 of Britian were deeply involved in this.
That is why I have stated he wasn't perfect, not even near perfect. But as a President, he felt he served everyone, regardless of economic status. I have always found that refreshing. That feeling of his was prob an offshoot of being the 5 star in WW2. Rich men, poor men, they all fought equally for our nation. He recognized that.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 7, 2012 1:53:41 GMT
Another President that I think speaks to us from history is President Theodore Roosevelt. He had his flaws as well, Phillipines, but he did a lot of good against great odds. That is where the Bully Pulpit saying comes from.
FDR tried, but things were going down hill because he blew his wad in 33-36. The increase in debt became a drag...and therefore the economy started to tank again in 37. The idea that stimulus works on a federal level is not correct. Even Keynesian indicated it had to come from govt reserves, not borrowed money.
I respect Magellan and hope to explore his ideas for solutions to our debt problem.
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 7, 2012 3:00:13 GMT
sigurdur, I share many of your sentiments concerning Ike. No President is perfect and it is far to easy to judge them today not having to wear their shoes. The modern era Presidents I admire the most are Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, Ike and to a lesser extent JFK and Reagan.
4 Republicans and 2 Democrats. And I realize that all of them had their flaws.
However, I do not share your sentiments concerning magellan. His solutions and sentiments are far too politically polarized, unrealistic, his tone is nasty, disrespectful and his posts are most times void of fact or twisted 1/2 truths.
You on the other hand have always been respectful, cordial and pleasant. I appreciate your commentary and insight even if I do not always agree. Thanks.
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Post by trbixler on Jul 7, 2012 3:36:37 GMT
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Post by magellan on Jul 7, 2012 5:33:48 GMT
sigurdur, I share many of your sentiments concerning Ike. No President is perfect and it is far to easy to judge them today not having to wear their shoes. The modern era Presidents I admire the most are Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, Ike and to a lesser extent JFK and Reagan. 4 Republicans and 2 Democrats. And I realize that all of them had their flaws. However, I do not share your sentiments concerning magellan. His solutions and sentiments are far too politically polarized, unrealistic, his tone is nasty, disrespectful and his posts are most times void of fact or twisted 1/2 truths. You on the other hand have always been respectful, cordial and pleasant. I appreciate your commentary and insight even if I do not always agree. Thanks. I present data and historical context to everything I've posted. I've asked you for references and you don't deliver. Demanding someone support their claim with evidence is not being nasty. You talk down to people just as much as you accuse them of, Glenn so stop putting on the Mr. Niceguy mask. The only difference is your smooth talking and I'm straight to the point. Referring to Tea Party ilk, that would be me, is somehow perfectly congenial? However, I do not share your sentiments concerning magellan. His solutions and sentiments are far too politically polarized, unrealistic, his tone is nasty, disrespectful and his posts are most times void of fact or twisted 1/2 truths. Stop whining. Honestly, I don't care what you think. Nobody here knows anyone; it is complete anonymity. I don't offer solutions; the income tax issue was an attempt to get you guys to THINK why you support Ron Paul. I mean, you oppose him on every issue except cutting defense spending! It is the same answer every time; "he's not perfect". I agree with most everything he stands for on monetary and fiscal matters, but didn't vote for him in the primary. Go figure. I'm polarizing and unrealistic, yet everything I've offered up comes straight from Ron Paul which you oppose! This is hilarious. I don't like your tone either Glennkoks, for the record. I am passionate about what I believe because we are witnessing the wholesale trashing of our Constitution and demise of our country. No amount of increased taxes will have one single positive effect for Americans, and it certainly is mathematically meaningless with respect to the Federal deficit and national debt. Thus far, everything you've said has been wrong on the economy. Let's go back and review who said what and when. I said for a long time the economy was tanking (and it would happen later in 2012) along with Europe. You said the economy was recovering and the rest of the world would follow. Ha! More people enrolled for disability benefits in June than there were jobs created!!! Now we have Obamacare written in stone because of one man selling out for his own legacy; a coward. Do you even understand the ramification of what happened? In recent years it was Eminent Domain which in retrospect should have been an ominous sign. Bush screwed that one up too. The Constitution spelled out precisely what taxes the government can levy on the People but with Obamacare upheld the Federal Government has absolutely no limits previously placed on it by the Constitution; the lawyers in black robes have turned in into a worthless piece of paper. It is a sad day for America. Who thinks American business is relieved now that the uncertainty of Obamacare being in limbo has been removed?
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Post by magellan on Jul 7, 2012 7:17:38 GMT
Brilliant! Higher taxes and make-work. California is on the move. FORWARD! California OKs funding for high-speed rail lineThe move marked a major political victory for Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown and the Obama administration. Both have promoted bullet trains as job generators and clean transportation alternatives.
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 7, 2012 10:15:15 GMT
magellan, we will just have to agree to disagree.
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Post by justsomeguy on Jul 7, 2012 11:28:02 GMT
Words like communist describing one of our best generals, claiming GW Bush and his massive spending increases in the Social Security prescription drug benefit (which was a giveaway to big pharma), his unfunded wars (remember Rumsfeld said these wars would be paid for with Iraqi oil - how did that work out), claiming huge tax cuts to the rich are a great idea while spending like crazy, forgetting that Cheney actually said "deficits don't matter" - shows Magellan and friends are simply political hacks who lack a connection with political reality.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 7, 2012 12:51:41 GMT
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Post by throttleup on Jul 7, 2012 13:18:12 GMT
Brilliant! Higher taxes and make-work. California is on the move. FORWARD! California OKs funding for high-speed rail lineThe move marked a major political victory for Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown and the Obama administration. Both have promoted bullet trains as job generators and clean transportation alternatives. Ahh... the empty bullet trains full of hot air glistening in the warm California sun screaming through the open air at 170 mph... brings tears to my eyes.
Traveling right alongside the Highway to Hell.
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Post by throttleup on Jul 7, 2012 13:20:41 GMT
Brilliant! Higher taxes and make-work. California is on the move. FORWARD! California OKs funding for high-speed rail lineThe move marked a major political victory for Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown and the Obama administration. Both have promoted bullet trains as job generators and clean transportation alternatives. Ahh... the empty bullet trains full of hot air glistening in the warm California sun screaming through the open air at 170 mph... brings tears to my eyes.
Traveling right alongside the Highway to Hell.
Kinda like a Potemkin village, ain't it?
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 7, 2012 13:25:08 GMT
I am getting older, and stopped the blame thing awhile ago. I look at history with the intent of learning. It is obvious that Fed Gov stimulus does not provide for long term job growth. Done correctly, it can be an aid, a jump start per se, but the economy has to rely on production. An old econ proff of eons ago talked about a "service" type economy. He stated that long term this would never work as it did not produce anything and production was the backbone of any long term economic growth. His teachings appear to be more correct with each passing year.
The drought of 88-90 killed President HWB when it comes to economics.
The current drought is going to kill this economy as well. Ag is the only large segment of our economy that still produces. So much tied to ag. Transportation, dock workers, food production plants..etc.....etc.
Our country has blown its wad. I won't blame anyone as to why this happened. The thing now is to develop solutions and impliment them. IF they don't work, change the solution.
A leader presents solutions. It is very obvious that President Obama is not a leader. AS shown by tr's link, the stimulus is not working and did not work. In fact, I could not see when it was proposed, how it was going to work.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 7, 2012 13:48:01 GMT
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