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Post by Andrew on Jul 19, 2013 19:56:52 GMT
The current blip down will probably correct somewhat, and although we are now almost into August when it is more or less hottest in the northern Hemisphere the ice melt always begins to slow down around about now so probably the melt this year will be very close to last years. Taking all the data on that chart into account it still seems likely to me to be just a small bit better than 2012, but nothing to write home about either way. My ice extent guess is still likely to be very close to the final result.
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Post by birder on Jul 19, 2013 23:14:04 GMT
"Roads melt and wildfires break out as forecasters warn heatwave will last for ANOTHER week " Could anyone in the UK please tell if they have experienced anything unusual lately? This is supposed to be something not seen for a while? www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html "Sweet Arctic ice recovery" on the offer as well:  You seem to be getting more desperate, don't you feel you are flogging a dead horse? |
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Post by numerouno on Jul 20, 2013 3:10:39 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 20, 2013 3:15:16 GMT
Numerouno. You know about Finland. I know about the USA. The wildfires are on a downward path and have been for years. As far as heat, this is no big deal. |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 20, 2013 6:29:01 GMT
"Roads melt and wildfires break out as forecasters warn heatwave will last for ANOTHER week " The daily mail is a totally rubbish paper. Notice the picture of the supposedly melted road with a rectangular piece of asphalt removed by a machine and loose asphalt against the side of the road and no sign of melting at all. Having said that melted roads in the UK is fairly common. As soon as the really warm weather arrives the truck tyre noise changes as if the roads are wet where presumably the tyres are partially sticking to the asphalt because presumably the load on the asphalt instantaneously melts the warm asphalt. If the truck then brakes heavily it rips up a portion of road - which is probably how that retangular strip got damaged prior to it being ground off by the road repair machine. Bush fires are also totally normal in the UK. According to the mail it is the warmest it has been since 2006. The mail is sensationalist garbage |
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Post by Ufasuperstorm on Jul 20, 2013 12:13:37 GMT
Look at the whole summer for 80 north and above. The coldest summer in the satellite era must be all that warming from that horrible CO2. I guess we are all doomed and I didn't listen. What are you going to do when arctic ice starts increasing these next couple years?  |
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Post by numerouno on Jul 20, 2013 12:27:16 GMT
It's an Arctic ice recovery in the cooling world!  Must be seen to be believed [in]!  Perhaps some other year the prince of cold will come .... |
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Post by numerouno on Jul 20, 2013 12:53:29 GMT
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Post by throttleup on Jul 20, 2013 15:04:48 GMT
Posted for the benefit of the faithful.
The dreaded, feared (and much hoped for!) DEATH SPIRAL is now visible in the actual data!!!
This will make their day (although they may quibble at the relatively slow pace of the decline)...
linkhttp://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/2013-ice-free-arctic-forecasts-from-the-worlds-top-experts/#more-85242
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 20, 2013 15:14:49 GMT
The dog days of August will soon be upon us. And shortly after that, fall/winter will once again envelope the NH.
It is amazing, as one gets older, how dog gone fast summer goes.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 20, 2013 16:33:49 GMT
This must have been one of the best summers ever weatherwise for me. The fact that it was also the first hot summer with air conditioning could have something to do with it. Never again a house without one for me. Once I thought it would not be needed in Finland, but wrong I was.
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Post by nonentropic on Jul 20, 2013 19:44:46 GMT
and as further proof of global warming, it was only 100 years ago that virtually nobody had air-conditioning.
yup its proven.
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Post by Andrew on Jul 20, 2013 19:48:57 GMT
This must have been one of the best summers ever weatherwise for me. The fact that it was also the first hot summer with air conditioning could have something to do with it. Never again a house without one for me. Once I thought it would not be needed in Finland, but wrong I was. Buy a stone house and you dont need it. That is the way to save the environment plus in dryer climates like parts of florida or arizona there are other ways to avoid large power consumption to get a colder house using night time radiation cooling to outerspace thru the warm dry air, also designing a house with a courtyard as they do in india enables the same night time cooling. The arabs use a deep hole and circulate air thru it - i use a similar system as one of our rooms is lower than the others an closer to the rock without an air gap under the floor so i draw air in thru there and distribute it to the rest of the house via a fan in the main chimney which is at the far end of the house and I take the fan out in the autumn. I need to change this to have small fans in the toilets but the system works well otherwise. The system will work even better now we have a modern 'door' window facing south, the e the hottest weather seems always to be associated with a night time wind of about 18C by 2am coming from the south that previously we could not use. So far it has not, according to my wife, been very warm other than a one week spell in June i think it was. Of course you would imagine if there was a problem with using fossil fuels the government would promote passive cooling systems, and enable people to realise there were often simple solutions available without electric powered air conditioners. |
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Post by numerouno on Jul 20, 2013 20:23:41 GMT
Iceskater, no I'm not going to buy a stone house. The ground source heat pump I suggested to you would have done the summertime cooling for you as well without any fiddling with stuff and/or going arab, working in reverse, and with a low energy consumption. Even a simple air source heat pump would have been enough. www.maalampo.fi/etusivu/maakylma-on-ekologinen-tapa-jaahdyttaa.html |
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 21, 2013 1:11:58 GMT
People have such short memories Summer 1959 Never ending sunshine and it is such short memories that the media rely on. I can remember summers in UK back in the late 50's when tarmac melted on the roads. Same again in the 70's. But by the 70's of course the media were all wrapped around the axle of global cooling. Define 'Climate' and differentiate between 'weather' and 'climate' By definition this entire thread "Summer Watch 2013" is about 'weather' and not 'climate' |
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