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Post by numerouno on Aug 26, 2013 16:45:47 GMT
You don't need any licencing to captain a ship under 200 register tons that does not take paying passengers.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 26, 2013 17:08:46 GMT
You don't need any licencing to captain a ship under 200 register tons that does not take paying passengers. Says who?
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Post by numerouno on Aug 26, 2013 19:02:41 GMT
You don't need any licencing to captain a ship under 200 register tons that does not take paying passengers. Says who? The international STCW convention. www.stcw.org/
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Post by Andrew on Aug 28, 2013 10:28:30 GMT
Looks like these guys are going to be drinking beer, and eating burgars 'n' fries inside 24 hours
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Post by icefisher on Aug 28, 2013 10:50:39 GMT
Looks like these guys are going to be drinking beer, and eating burgars 'n' fries inside 24 hours It does seem they have thrown caution to the wind in pursuit of that burger n fries. They have been monsters in seizing opportunity of late. I thought they would be holed up for another half day. They caught a 20+ naut westerly to cross the last bay a day ago and went on a sleigh ride. And the forecast was for about 20 naut onshore today. The last message I thought sounded like what the Franklin expedition would have sent in the same location, tired, cold, rundown. Who knows maybe a burger, a good bed, a shower, a night in the bar, an eskimo gal, heck these guys might change their mind again. I was wondering what was going on when they left that small village where they replaced their anchor about 2 weeks ago they headed north from there then I recall they backtracked a long distance and never explained why. It was maybe 10 miles or more of backtrack. Were they throwing the towel in then? Did they change their mind and decide to go for Cambridge Bay and roughly the halfway point? Its probably a good choice to quit considering the weather this year. But despite what they say I am not sure these guys aren't going to change their mind. Probably not! But its a thought, a thought that I am sure will occur to them once they are back to normal for a day. p.s. Lately they have shown command of their vessel. Its a beast and not the best, IMHO, for the job. But their command has been increasing. Its like they are finally learning what it is capable of and what it is not. I am not there so no way can I think for them. But I am proud of these guys. I would not be surprised about anything.
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Post by cuttydyer on Aug 29, 2013 8:27:01 GMT
Arctic Joule arrives in Cambridge Bay...
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 31, 2013 10:33:18 GMT
Warmist Arctic rowers fail: "...Residents of Resolute say 20 years have not seen anything like. Its, ice, ice and more ice" link "The NWPassage is still blocked with ice. Some of the bays still have not melted!” ...we’d require at least another 50-60 days to make it to Pond Inlet. Throw in the issues of less light, colder temperatures, harsher fall storms and lots of ice blocking the route and our decision is easy. ...Our message remains unaffected though, bringing awareness to the pressing issues of climate change in the arctic."So even though the ice has not melted and its colder than normal we still think its warmer than normal and this is a pressing issue. Cognitive dissonance does not seem to be a problem for him.
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Post by numerouno on Aug 31, 2013 12:19:43 GMT
Floyd Roland, the former premiere of the North West Territories and the current mayor of Inuvik speaks of winters that now begin a month later than when he was a kid, of strange and inconsistent weather patterns that were once far more predictable.
Elders Billy and Eileen Jacobson of Tuktoyaktuk speak of winters shortened by a fortnight at either end, of grasshoppers in the arctic, of grizzly bears and wolverine further north than ever seen before.
Daryl Nasagaluk of Tuktoyaktuk speaks of beavers now appearing in arctic waters, damming the rivers and destroying the run of white fish.
Hank Wolki in Paulatuk speaks of the thinning sea ice that surrounds his community, of the dangers of winter travel within a warming arctic.
Marlene Wolki of Paulatuk speaks of a shifting winter season, of picking blueberries in late September during a time when the land was once frozen, of an ice-free Darnely Bay in October, something unheard of when she was young.
Brothers Joe and Steve Illisiak in Brown’s Camp tell us of grizzly and polar bears interacting now, of the new hybrid bear on the scene – the pizzly and the grolar, of rarely seen pods of killer whales prowling their waters.
Joe Ohokannoak tells us of grizzly bears on Victoria Island now, of ravens being common place where once they never ventured. The arctic is changing and it’s changing dramatically. We know this because the people that live here tell us so.mainstreamlastfirst.com/ (passage breaks added)
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 31, 2013 18:31:18 GMT
Floyd Roland, the former premiere of the North West Territories and the current mayor of Inuvik speaks of winters that now begin a month later than when he was a kid, of strange and inconsistent weather patterns that were once far more predictable.
Elders Billy and Eileen Jacobson of Tuktoyaktuk speak of winters shortened by a fortnight at either end, of grasshoppers in the arctic, of grizzly bears and wolverine further north than ever seen before.
Daryl Nasagaluk of Tuktoyaktuk speaks of beavers now appearing in arctic waters, damming the rivers and destroying the run of white fish.
Hank Wolki in Paulatuk speaks of the thinning sea ice that surrounds his community, of the dangers of winter travel within a warming arctic.
Marlene Wolki of Paulatuk speaks of a shifting winter season, of picking blueberries in late September during a time when the land was once frozen, of an ice-free Darnely Bay in October, something unheard of when she was young.
Brothers Joe and Steve Illisiak in Brown’s Camp tell us of grizzly and polar bears interacting now, of the new hybrid bear on the scene – the pizzly and the grolar, of rarely seen pods of killer whales prowling their waters.
Joe Ohokannoak tells us of grizzly bears on Victoria Island now, of ravens being common place where once they never ventured. The arctic is changing and it’s changing dramatically. We know this because the people that live here tell us so.mainstreamlastfirst.com/ (passage breaks added) These metrics measured in human experience do not mean that these things never happened before. Historical reports show similar claims from 100 years ago. This is the same problem of failing to mention that the values quoted as 'unprecedented' are only 'unprecedented' within the 35 year satellite era.
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Post by nonentropic on Aug 31, 2013 19:06:49 GMT
have we ever heard it said that summers are early, never and how many halcyon summers did we all have as children I know I had. yes it sounds like a Monty Python episode.
incredibly as more volume of reporting has highlighted more "weather" our wobbly memories has complied and agreed things are now more variable.
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 31, 2013 19:12:01 GMT
Well, they might be earlier in the Arctic, but my memory relies on actual records.
Springs in ND are most certainly not earlier, in fact, the trend has been one of later and later and later.
When we get what used to be an average spring, we are all elated!
That April 20th start date for seeding has become so elusive. 30 years ago it was the standard to measure from.
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Post by icefisher on Sept 1, 2013 19:01:47 GMT
Floyd Roland, the former premiere of the North West Territories and the current mayor of Inuvik speaks of winters that now begin a month later than when he was a kid, of strange and inconsistent weather patterns that were once far more predictable.
Elders Billy and Eileen Jacobson of Tuktoyaktuk speak of winters shortened by a fortnight at either end, of grasshoppers in the arctic, of grizzly bears and wolverine further north than ever seen before.
Daryl Nasagaluk of Tuktoyaktuk speaks of beavers now appearing in arctic waters, damming the rivers and destroying the run of white fish.
Hank Wolki in Paulatuk speaks of the thinning sea ice that surrounds his community, of the dangers of winter travel within a warming arctic.
Marlene Wolki of Paulatuk speaks of a shifting winter season, of picking blueberries in late September during a time when the land was once frozen, of an ice-free Darnely Bay in October, something unheard of when she was young.
Brothers Joe and Steve Illisiak in Brown’s Camp tell us of grizzly and polar bears interacting now, of the new hybrid bear on the scene – the pizzly and the grolar, of rarely seen pods of killer whales prowling their waters.
Joe Ohokannoak tells us of grizzly bears on Victoria Island now, of ravens being common place where once they never ventured. The arctic is changing and it’s changing dramatically. We know this because the people that live here tell us so.mainstreamlastfirst.com/ (passage breaks added) These metrics measured in human experience do not mean that these things never happened before. Historical reports show similar claims from 100 years ago. This is the same problem of failing to mention that the values quoted as 'unprecedented' are only 'unprecedented' within the 35 year satellite era. Well its interesting that the most relevant statement made, and at least one reason this expedition was a failure is: At many Eastern places of NWP locals have not seen this type ice conditions. Residents of Resolute say 20 years have not seen anything like. Its, ice, ice and more ice. Larsen, Peel, Bellot, Regent and Barrow Strait are all choked. That is the only route to East. Already West Lancaster received -2C temperature expecting -7C on Tuesday with the snow.”Everything else sort of fades at that kind of natural variation especially considering the current passage opening in 2007 also occurred in 1944. Anbody who believe current climate is unprecedented has been fooled by Phil Jones, UAE, Michael Mann, Ben Santer, and another of folks who play "tricks" on you, as in clever ways to deceive people.
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 1, 2013 19:28:06 GMT
Humans tend to view as normal what they have experienced in their lifetimes. So seeing a weather phenomenon for the first time is exceptional in their experience. Back in the 1950's and 60's scientists took a lot of note of history but for some reason as satellite metrics appeared all previous measurements and reports were discarded and everything stared anew in 197x. Add the distortions of tenure where professors can sell their ethics for politically awarded grant and research funds at no risk, and you end up in today's world. Eisenhower was right in his warning but nobody took any notice.
The climate system is a non-linear chaotic system of chaotic systems each with multiple attractors. Yet we see attempts to draw linear projections based on the chaotic behavior, people use frequentist statistics trying to identify 'normal' and from that 'anomalies' - what is normal in a chaotic system? Do these people expect a nice normal distribution of values? Why? At best in our short lives we will experience a few oscillations within a Poincare section and this 'in our experience' will be viewed as 'normal' but it's not - it is just that our experience is so short and transient that we are unaware of the chaotic behavior of the system. In the way that mayflies cannot compare winters.
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Post by magellan on Sept 1, 2013 19:32:32 GMT
These metrics measured in human experience do not mean that these things never happened before. Historical reports show similar claims from 100 years ago. This is the same problem of failing to mention that the values quoted as 'unprecedented' are only 'unprecedented' within the 35 year satellite era. Well its interesting that the most relevant statement made, and at least one reason this expedition was a failure is: At many Eastern places of NWP locals have not seen this type ice conditions. Residents of Resolute say 20 years have not seen anything like. Its, ice, ice and more ice. Larsen, Peel, Bellot, Regent and Barrow Strait are all choked. That is the only route to East. Already West Lancaster received -2C temperature expecting -7C on Tuesday with the snow.”Everything else sort of fades at that kind of natural variation especially considering the current passage opening in 2007 also occurred in 1944. Anbody who believe current climate is unprecedented has been fooled by Phil Jones, UAE, Michael Mann, Ben Santer, and another of folks who play "tricks" on you, as in clever ways to deceive people. It's really too bad the original Arctic ice thread was deleted. Some of us have been here a long time and were saying there was coming a time when the whole Arctic doom fairy tale would come to an abrupt halt. I didn't see it doing this for a few more years when the AMO would set firmly in its negative phase. See, they've got a bit of a problem on their hands as MYI will be increasing greatly going into next year's meltdown, and they'll need to explain the "unusual" ice conditions from this summer. Warmstrologists really believe CO2 is the climate control knob, and everything in the Arctic is linear, meaning warming and melting ice. Even now they are saying 2013 is part of the "long term ongoing downward trend", after telling us last year how fragile, thin, rotten and decayed the ice had become. Go to Neven's blog and read the latest propaganda. What a bunch of maroons. All they need do is show me the climate model that predicted what we're seeing and why in 2013 and I'll convert.
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Post by cuttydyer on Sept 4, 2013 8:28:59 GMT
Seb and Vince hit the panic button and have been rescued by a Russian icebreaker (I'm sure no CO2 was released during the rescue): September 3, 2013 There is a little over 3 days now and Sebastien Vincent triggered their distress beacon. They tried everything they believed it until the last moment, but poor weather conditions present and especially future force them to give up! Going by their own means is impossible, they were obliged, with great regret, to trigger their tag. They're fine, though vexed. Link: www.sebroubinet.eu/la-voie-du-pole_nouvelles.html
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