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Post by Andrew on Aug 25, 2014 21:09:23 GMT
northwestpassage2014.blogspot.fi/2014/08/mv-bremen-transits-bellot-strait-to.htmlSo the latest from doug Pohl is that Mango, MV Breven, Novara, Artic Tern, the Maud Tug and anybody else able to join them in time are to get icebreaker escort to Cambridge Bay. Catryn up North has given up. Hard to believe the two sailing boats Eastbound on the southern side of the ice will try to come thru. Altan Girl has already been rescued once by the US coast guard near Barrow and the Empiricus crew have flight bookings some time after September 17th, where earlier they were talking about shortening their trip to get to Greenland by the 17th.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 26, 2014 9:16:51 GMT
It seems that Doug Pohl was speculating regards Mango getting icebreaker support to come thru Bellot Strait. Mango has moved further north and looks more likely to be trying to get out via Peel Sound than Bellot strait. Also at this stage of the game getting icebreaker support when apparently it is available anyway without evoking 'international rescue', does not to me seem to me to be in the spirit of 'Phil the sailor' and his crew who have already spent last winter frozen into the Arctic sea.
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Post by zaphod on Aug 27, 2014 17:07:58 GMT
Sea Ice MetricThe Metric for this year's poll has dropped lower over the past few weeks. The 4.0 barrier is certainly under threat I've sent the girls home and turned off the supercomputer!!!
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Post by cuttydyer on Aug 28, 2014 6:31:27 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 28, 2014 9:29:18 GMT
As someone who has in the past been part of the Search and Rescue chain, you have no idea how annoying these people are who are deliberately putting themselves in danger and expect an organization that is there to recover people who due to no fault of their own doing their normal work find themselves in an emergency situation. This is made worse by the fact that these boats are doing this so that the crews can prance about shouting see there is no problem sailing the NW passage; well there isn't as long as big brother is there to rescue you _when_ you screw up; and even then you will be saying you'll be back to be rescued again next year. What the Canadian Coast Guard should do is warn people who are doing these PR voyages that they will be rescued but receive a bill for the entire cost, so they will need insurance. Why should Canadian taxpayers pick up the cost of rescuing idiots on self-aggrandizing PR voyages, and the coastguard risk their own lives? The rules of the sea requiring everyone to aid a vessel in distress were not meant to be misused as a get you out of jail free card.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 28, 2014 18:00:26 GMT
Mango was right at the top of franklin strait and was in lancaster sound/parry channel but now they might even be making a break for Bellot?
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Post by Andrew on Aug 29, 2014 13:50:23 GMT
At the last position report at least one hour ago Mango was passing down Bellot strait.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 29, 2014 18:02:00 GMT
Mango is thru Bellot
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Post by shaggy on Aug 30, 2014 23:26:11 GMT
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Post by Andrew on Aug 31, 2014 6:12:25 GMT
The boats who abandoned a chance for a northwest passage this year are going to be a bit upset! Nasa has provided a very high resolution 24Meg TIFF picture of the more or less ice free passage upon which Doug Pohl is claiming you can see the boats underway! The version below is ordinary resolution.
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Post by slh1234 on Sept 1, 2014 3:54:34 GMT
This may have been discussed on here before, but something I wonder about when looking at the charts: arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arcticIf ice area and extent was lower because of higher temperatures in general, then I would think the higher temperatures would put the temperature above freezing earlier, and below freezing later than the cooler years. That would lead me to think the period of the wave visible in the graphs would be different and that the maximum ice area and extent would be reached earlier, and the minimum would be reached later. That would be because of a longer period of time above freezing. But when I look at the charts, what I seem to see is that both maximum AND minimum have been reached slightly later than the mean. I realize there are not many years on that chart with which to compare, and the resolution and precision might be something that can be questioned, but would that raise a question with anybody else?
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Post by Ratty on Sept 1, 2014 7:36:43 GMT
I see the base period is 1979-2006, avoiding 2007 ...... why not thirty years? Am I too suspicious?
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 1, 2014 13:18:56 GMT
I see the base period is 1979-2006, avoiding 2007 ...... why not thirty years? Am I too suspicious? Not at all. Had they gone back to 1974 they would have had no anomaly now as the amount of ice then was considerably lower than the peak Arctic ice year of 1979 which totally coincidentally (cough) was chosen as their start year.
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Post by icefisher on Sept 1, 2014 15:46:43 GMT
The boats who abandoned a chance for a northwest passage this year are going to be a bit upset! Nasa has provided a very high resolution 24Meg TIFF picture of the more or less ice free passage upon which Doug Pohl is claiming you can see the boats underway! The version below is ordinary resolution. Logs of the boats that turned around explained the decision. Most waited as long as they dared to attempt the crossing. These boats are dependent upon sail and have to provide allowances for wind conditions and direction. Their calculations showed that if the passage did not open until late August the odds were getting poor to make it to the Pacific Ocean before the ice closed in again. Their decision to quit was based on the increasing possibility of having to winter their boats in the passage and not as you imply.
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Post by walnut on Sept 1, 2014 16:27:08 GMT
Best case, it certainly does not appear to be a practical route, and in 5 years I'm thinking no route...so what's the point.
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