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Post by scpg02 on Oct 27, 2014 3:26:10 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 28, 2014 1:29:04 GMT
Read an indepth report on this very item not too long ago. Kinda like all the other "bad for you" items. Men need 2-4 cups of coffee per day, helps prostate health somehow.
And then.....an apple a day....etc. etc.
The fat thing is just like the AGW thing. A mis-conception based on really crappy people.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Nov 14, 2014 6:57:15 GMT
Going to post in this thread re progress on our diet & my wife's health. As many of you know, my wife has MS - Primary progressive MS, relatively rare form, and the type that affects men & women in equal numbers. It is non-episodic, and not helped by auto-immune drugs. MS is due to de-myelination, which is actually a normal aging process, but for most of us, re-myelination occurs fast enough to prevent serious lesions in the brains. Interestingly, re-myelination occurs at night, due to gene expression. So MS is caused by an autoimmune process and/or faulty genetic re-myelination and/or inflammation - and not all types of MS may have the same cause. So diet may fix some MS sufferers and not others. Now, the theory is, that the high fat, low carb diet produces fewer free radicals around the nerve, allowing the nerves to repair over time. see terrywahls.com/ for a MD who claims to have been substantially cured by this diet. Thanks to sigurdur, I have been encouraged to study up on this & have decided to try this diet. We started de-carbing on 22nd October (out with starch, sugar etc.) - and my wife started a strict low carb diet on the 31st. with full calorie counting, plus grams of protein, fat and carbs. Her target is 30g Carbs, with strict limit of 50g. I started counting everything in my diet on the 5th Nov. But target 120g carbs, high protein & moderate fat - so not strictly the ketogenic diet. Now here is the rub, I have lost 5kgs since the 22nd, and my wife maybe 500gms!!! I appear to be burning fat like mad. My nutrition suggests I should be losing only 1.5kgs per month. I feel taller, as my stomach seems further away - optical illusion! lol. I expect the extreme keto diet is not necessary, but my wife will stay on this for the time being. We try and get our "fat" from Avocados, nuts, high omega 3 fish, and not fatty steaks! Lots and Lots of green leafy veg. My wife also has high blood pressure and this appears to be improving. Blood tests next week & another medical checkup soon. To sum up: No grains, no starchy food, targeting higher protein (1.55gm.kg of ideal weight). Neither of us were getting enough protein in our old diets. I feel better than I have for years. (I am well over 60!) |
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Post by scpg02 on Nov 14, 2014 15:24:37 GMT
thanks for the update.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 15, 2014 19:11:13 GMT
Going to post in this thread re progress on our diet & my wife's health. As many of you know, my wife has MS - Primary progressive MS, relatively rare form, and the type that affects men & women in equal numbers. It is non-episodic, and not helped by auto-immune drugs. MS is due to de-myelination, which is actually a normal aging process, but for most of us, re-myelination occurs fast enough to prevent serious lesions in the brains. Interestingly, re-myelination occurs at night, due to gene expression. So MS is caused by an autoimmune process and/or faulty genetic re-myelination and/or inflammation - and not all types of MS may have the same cause. So diet may fix some MS sufferers and not others. Now, the theory is, that the high fat, low carb diet produces fewer free radicals around the nerve, allowing the nerves to repair over time. see terrywahls.com/ for a MD who claims to have been substantially cured by this diet. Thanks to sigurdur, I have been encouraged to study up on this & have decided to try this diet. We started de-carbing on 22nd October (out with starch, sugar etc.) - and my wife started a strict low carb diet on the 31st. with full calorie counting, plus grams of protein, fat and carbs. Her target is 30g Carbs, with strict limit of 50g. I started counting everything in my diet on the 5th Nov. But target 120g carbs, high protein & moderate fat - so not strictly the ketogenic diet. Now here is the rub, I have lost 5kgs since the 22nd, and my wife maybe 500gms!!! I appear to be burning fat like mad. My nutrition suggests I should be losing only 1.5kgs per month. I feel taller, as my stomach seems further away - optical illusion! lol. I expect the extreme keto diet is not necessary, but my wife will stay on this for the time being. We try and get our "fat" from Avocados, nuts, high omega 3 fish, and not fatty steaks! Lots and Lots of green leafy veg. My wife also has high blood pressure and this appears to be improving. Blood tests next week & another medical checkup soon. To sum up: No grains, no starchy food, targeting higher protein (1.55gm.kg of ideal weight). Neither of us were getting enough protein in our old diets. I feel better than I have for years. (I am well over 60!) Kiwi: You just KNOW how to make an old man's day get a whole lot better. I am excited for you!!!! OK. (Disclaimer) I grow potatoes. However, with that said, for some reason a potato's starch gets handled differently by the body. Instead of a sugar rush, it helps stabilize insulin levels for 4-5 hours. Remember old folks with that meat and tater diet? We steam our taters.............a lot. Keeps all the high fiber in them, plus all those "micro" nutrients that taters have. And they are loaded with micro-nutrients. By steaming, we also retain that wonderful earthy flavor that potatoes have. An item of interest. There are different types of taters. IN the US, I grow red varieties. I used to grow white varieties for processing, but couldn't stand the prosperity of having a ceiling price on poor production years. Red taters, normally, are a "waxy" type of vegetable. They have less calories per gram than white potatoes. With that said, can be another addition to your diet. Those dark green spinach etc are also excellent sources of micro's, but potatoes are really high in P-K etc as well. But the main thing is............YOU ARE FEELING GREAT AND YOUR WIFE IS IMPROVING! |
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Post by scpg02 on Nov 16, 2014 2:41:45 GMT
See I can't do vitamin K, it interferes with my rat poison.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Nov 24, 2014 6:18:13 GMT
See I can't do vitamin K, it interferes with my rat poison. If you are on Rat Poison, I recommend largish dose of Vitamin E (up to 1000 units (IUs)) - WARNING - this will mean you need much less warfarin, and you need to start with small doses of Vit E & build up. When my father was alive, we got his warfarin dose cut in half. We stepped up the Vit E by 200IUs a time. He had blood tests every 2 weeks, and as the Docs reduced his warfarin, we upped the Vit E. He had brain damage (from an earlier cardiac arrest) and the Vit E improved his thinking no end. But talk it over with your Doc. Many vitamins, and herbs, garlic etc thin the blood. |
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Post by scpg02 on Nov 24, 2014 15:36:08 GMT
See I can't do vitamin K, it interferes with my rat poison. If you are on Rat Poison, I recommend largish dose of Vitamin E (up to 1000 units (IUs)) - WARNING - this will mean you need much less warfarin, and you need to start with small doses of Vit E & build up. When my father was alive, we got his warfarin dose cut in half. We stepped up the Vit E by 200IUs a time. He had blood tests every 2 weeks, and as the Docs reduced his warfarin, we upped the Vit E. He had brain damage (from an earlier cardiac arrest) and the Vit E improved his thinking no end. But talk it over with your Doc. Many vitamins, and herbs, garlic etc thin the blood. yes, I was taking vitamin C and fish oil. both thin the blood. |
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Post by kiwistonewall on Nov 26, 2014 7:31:28 GMT
OK, Diet update:
My wife (with MS and high BP) has lost a few kgs, but more importantly, her blood pressure readings are much closer to normal - not yet there, but massively improved. She is on the full Keto diet.
I am acting as a control for the experiment - my carb intake is about 100-150gms per day - 2-3x more than for the keto/Paleo diet.
I have lost 6-7 kgs in a little over a month & my energy levels much improved.
We had blood tests yesterday & will get results next week - Theoretically, my wife's lipids (cholesterol) should have improved more than mine - if the keto diet claims are correct.
We are both calorie counting, with levels below our maintenance calorie requirements for slow weight loss.
More next week.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Dec 3, 2014 21:27:41 GMT
Been researching nutrition. Amazingly, the nutrition wars at the moment, sound exactly like the climate wars. "Consensus", misleading data, cherry picking to prove a point, and the old argument, that we need to "protect" the health of citizens even though the data isn't in, or even contradicts the consensus. We KNOW high saturated fat, and we KNOW that we should eat lots of grains and legumes to support US farmers! I've given up trying to stay "moderate carb", as the insulin induced hunger pangs are too much - going "keto" to join my wife in her diet. Today we are stopping her BP medication, as her BP is heading way too low. Will watch carefully & half the dose if it spikes up. The medication didn't solve her high BP, so I doubt it has any beneficial effect, and the side effects are similar to MS in any case. Suggested sites for any interested to research: Dr Peter Attia eatingacademy.com/start-herelowcarbdownunder.com.au/videos/lowcarbdownunder.com.au/resources/ < this has links to a few "Catalyst" TV programs (videos) by the Australia Public broadcaster (ABC) - and these are very balanced - (unlike their climate stuff) but had huge complaints from the established consensus medical profession. |
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Post by scpg02 on Dec 4, 2014 1:13:29 GMT
I had to try three different blood pressure pills before we found one that worked for me. The first one caused a constant caught. I am mildly asthmatic so I can't have that. Second one caused swelling in my lower legs. This would mask a blood clot if I got one. Can't have that. This one is a low dose and does what it is supposed to do without side effects. I could probably do away with it if I lost weight as it was really borderline to start with.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Dec 4, 2014 8:39:28 GMT
36 Hrs since last BP medicine, and my wife's BP is normal to low. Watching it closely. If it doesn't rise, I'll wait a month & then show data to our doctor again!  Amazing - Diet out guns medicine! No wonder the drug companies try and keep a lid on this via Doctors in their pay. I was a drug rep once, and the company had a number of doctors on its "advisory board" who were expected to fly the flag, so to speak. The drug companies wine & dine and have evenings (or they did when I worked for them!!)(where the wine & beer flows freely) for the general practitioners, who are feed the latest propaganda research. |
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 4, 2014 19:34:14 GMT
36 Hrs since last BP medicine, and my wife's BP is normal to low. Watching it closely. If it doesn't rise, I'll wait a month & then show data to our doctor again! Amazing - Diet out guns medicine! No wonder the drug companies try and keep a lid on this via Doctors in their pay. I was a drug rep once, and the company had a number of doctors on its "advisory board" who were expected to fly the flag, so to speak. The drug companies wine & dine and have evenings (or they did when I worked for them!!)(where the wine & beer flows freely) for the general practitioners, who are feed the latest propaganda research. Kiwi: I am glad that we met via this board, and that my hired truck driver shared his bro-in-laws experience. To think that we have been eating the wrong stuff so long that it actually makes us sicker. The guy that started this low fat diet, no meats etc, had an agenda. Too bad that it got accepted for so long. |
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Post by kiwistonewall on Dec 8, 2014 0:28:46 GMT
two steps forward, one step back.
My wife's BP spiked at the doctors yesterday - the old white coat syndrome, and she got stressed so BP went out of whack for a while.
Not that the BP was as high as in the past, but worse than the last week or so.
Still, showed the Doc my charts of all the BP readings & she has prescribed a much lower dose med.
Weight coming off both of us slowly, and my wife is starting to look amazing. (she always does, but getting even better)
(She accuses me of overnight trips to Ireland to kiss the blarney stone.)
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Post by fredzl4dh on Nov 12, 2015 7:25:11 GMT
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Amazing - Diet out guns medicine!