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Post by missouriboy on Nov 14, 2020 16:31:52 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 14, 2020 18:45:01 GMT
So if reducing CO2 to nothing will have no effect, let's stop trying. It will make everything more efficient.
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 17, 2020 22:23:50 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 17, 2020 23:20:27 GMT
What modelers need is accountability. IF their models go wrong and they were used for a momentous irrecoverable decision (like shut down the US economy) and they were found to be wrong - oops that wasn't necessary when we said 2 million we meant 50,000... Then the modelers should turn in their degrees and never be allowed to model or work on any government contract again. Government suppliers would have to vouch that they had not and will not employ this list of modelers. Faced with that kind of retribution for an incorrect model - modelers would be a LOT more cautious about the lurid models.
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Post by nonentropic on Nov 18, 2020 2:20:59 GMT
The attraction to be extreme is to great the only way to control that is the image of poverty, your own.
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 18, 2020 10:28:56 GMT
The attraction to be extreme is to great the only way to control that is the image of poverty, your own. The current academic world is 'publish or perish'. This starts when working for a PhD and then continues throughout any work in/with academia with a requirement to publish and present several papers a year usually to a coterie of fellow academics in some invented international organization - "The International Forum for Real Time Underwater Basket Weaving" or whatever. If the 'right' people attend and publish in the annual collation of papers then your paper will add to your score that allows you to get tenure or be promoted to vice chair etc etc. This means that there can be continual pressure to generate papers that have to be 'visible'. Hence, papers always follow the fashion du-jour - acid rain, string theory, epigenetics, etc whatever the funders want they get a paper on that says what they want to hear in lurid terms so it is published. When this nouveau academia meets the real world is when the problem starts as reality is not as malleable as a publication committee. The only areas that have escaped this trend are the very hard sciences like engineering subjects where the work is with reality all the time. The soft side of medical science like epidemiological modeling is very much like climate modeling - there are a lot of unknowns and a lot of egos. However, it can be immediately costly if an epidemiological model is incorrect whereas most climate scientists are managing to retire before their work is exposed to real world validation. That is why the same approach should be taken with an epidemiologist whose model is a poorly designed failure as would be taken with an engineer whose bridge collapses due to poor design.
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 19, 2020 16:05:01 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 19, 2020 17:27:05 GMT
It's like groundhog day Things are changing it must by (y)our fault
Pray to the right saints, drink this snake oil/koolaide or brimstone and lightning are sure to followThings ARE changing they always have But CO2 does not seem to be the culprit any more than upset God(s)
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Post by missouriboy on Nov 19, 2020 18:50:07 GMT
It's like groundhog day Things are changing it must by (y)our fault
Pray to the right saints, drink this snake oil/koolaide or brimstone and lightning are sure to followThings ARE changing they always have But CO2 does not seem to be the culprit any more than upset God(s) But in Valhalla they must be having a great laugh at our expense. Who was (is) the God of practical jokes?
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Post by gridley on Nov 20, 2020 13:31:12 GMT
It's like groundhog day Things are changing it must by (y)our fault
Pray to the right saints, drink this snake oil/koolaide or brimstone and lightning are sure to followThings ARE changing they always have But CO2 does not seem to be the culprit any more than upset God(s) But in Valhalla they must be having a great laugh at our expense. Who was (is) the God of practical jokes? Loki. "I know how to solve this problem! Thor, put on this dress..."
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 30, 2020 21:42:00 GMT
"A German professor has confirmed what skeptics from Britain to the US have long suspected: that NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies has largely invented “global warming” by tampering with the raw temperature data records.
Professor Dr. Friedrich Karl Ewert is a retired geologist and data computation expert. He has painstakingly examined and tabulated all NASA GISS’s temperature data series, taken from 1153 stations and going back to 1881. His conclusion: that if you look at the raw data, as opposed to NASA’s revisions, you’ll find that since 1940 the planet has been cooling, not warming.
ccording to Günter Ederer, the German journalist who has reported on Ewert’s findings:
From the publicly available data, Ewert made an unbelievable discovery: Between the years 2010 and 2012 the data measured since 1881 were altered so that they showed a significant warming, especially after 1950. […] A comparison of the data from 2010 with the data of 2012 shows that NASA-GISS had altered its own datasets so that especially after WWII a clear warming appears – although it never existed.
Apart from Australia, the planet has in fact been on a cooling trend:"www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/11/24/german-professor-nasa-fiddled-climate-data-unbelievable-scale/
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 3, 2020 4:30:24 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 4, 2020 7:34:40 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 4, 2020 18:27:36 GMT
I am starting to doubt any paper that uses air temperatures (as the GCMs do) without accounting for enthalpy (as the GCM's don't). They are starting to look like mathematical exercises rather than modeling a real system (which may well be impossible) I also have problems with anything that claims to have a 'global temperature dataset' that goes back further than around 1950 as before the second world war there were almost no temperature reports from the Southern Hemisphere and very sparsely reported in many areas of the Northern Hemisphere. Or to put it bluntly - the global temperatures prior to 1950 are guess work fed into recursive GCMs and results presented to a tenth of a degree C.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 17, 2020 14:01:26 GMT
"WUWT – big changes, returning to a ‘war footing’ on climate
With the likely installation of a Biden administration comes a renewed and likely vicious climate war.
I have inside information that Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) will be pushing the Biden administration, calling for prominent climate skeptics, and climate skeptical organizations to be put on investigations and “show trials” for daring to question the consensus. There may be worse than that coming, as he seems to genuinely believe we’ve committed some sort of crime and should be punished for it. Make no mistake, it’s coming.
I suspect I’ll be personally targeted as well.
While it’s been an easy ride during the Trump administration with him pulling out of the Paris agreement, bringing the gestapo-like EPA back to sensibility, eliminating WOTUS rules, appointing prominent climate skeptics to NOAA, and many other things, we now face a renewed “in your face” series of actions by the Biden administration to make batting the invisible boogeyman of climate change not just a priority, but a declared war.
Hence, eliminating and/or neutralizing the climate skeptics. It’s war psyops 101 – eliminate/neutralize competing voices and media outlets.
To that end, I’m not going down without a fight. I hope you won’t either."More here> wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/16/wuwt-big-changes-returning-to-a-war-footing-on-climate/
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