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Post by nautonnier on Jan 4, 2021 15:55:36 GMT
Ahhh Blu. But that was long before our present day geniouses figured out that EVERYTHING can be explained with little packets of CO2. I found it interesting and thought some here would also. It was very interesting - as someone who has spent many 'happy hours' with forecasters setting up 'Met' briefs for pilots or deciding if a few hundred people needed to be kept up all night for snow clearance**. The most difficult decision on a local level is will it snow or rain? The height of the zero degree isotherm - which also affected helicopters which had to be very cautious around the 0deg isotherm - icing in a helicopter is NOT pleasant. I went into the met office one winter weekend early morning and said to the Forecaster -"Is it going to Snow?" - His response was to throw a synoptic chart on the table and say "You tell me!" - We then looked at the 'computer forecast' the forecast from Command HQ and then why he disagreed with them and what he thought would happen. This was in the days of drawing pencil lines on the chart with hieroglyphics. I learned a lot from people like that **{ War Story Alert} I was on duty one night in Germany and the temperature was ~minus 25C and unusually we were expecting 'thunder snow' our runway had to be kept operational as we had quick react alert aircraft. So I had the 'Snow Team' report on for the night - not popular. We got heavy snow after midnight and the guys were all out in -25C and snow with snow clearance vehicles and shovels etc, Keeping a 1.5 mile runway and associated taxiways clear of snow is not an easy job. I have always been one to read regulations especially the more quirky ones. It so happens that the Royal Navy at that time was still issuing 'rum ration' to the ratings - a dram of Dark Navy rum (pussers rum in their parlance). The RAF had long since abandoned such largess, BUT - if you had a team working in cold conditions below -5C and for more than an hour, the Officer i/c could ask the unit medical officer to 'authorize the issue of a rum ration'. So I called my mate the Station Medical Officer and asked him to authorize the issue of a rum ration which he did to ALL duty staff that night. I became popular
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 4, 2021 17:31:26 GMT
I found it interesting and thought some here would also. It was very interesting - as someone who has spent many 'happy hours' with forecasters setting up 'Met' briefs for pilots or deciding if a few hundred people needed to be kept up all night for snow clearance**. The most difficult decision on a local level is will it snow or rain? The height of the zero degree isotherm - which also affected helicopters which had to be very cautious around the 0deg isotherm - icing in a helicopter is NOT pleasant. I went into the met office one winter weekend early morning and said to the Forecaster -"Is it going to Snow?" - His response was to throw a synoptic chart on the table and say "You tell me!" - We then looked at the 'computer forecast' the forecast from Command HQ and then why he disagreed with them and what he thought would happen. This was in the days of drawing pencil lines on the chart with hieroglyphics. I learned a lot from people like that **{ War Story Alert} I was on duty one night in Germany and the temperature was ~minus 25C and unusually we were expecting 'thunder snow' our runway had to be kept operational as we had quick react alert aircraft. So I had the 'Snow Team' report on for the night - not popular. We got heavy snow after midnight and the guys were all out in -25C and snow with snow clearance vehicles and shovels etc, Keeping a 1.5 mile runway and associated taxiways clear of snow is not an easy job. I have always been one to read regulations especially the more quirky ones. It so happens that the Royal Navy at that time was still issuing 'rum ration' to the ratings - a dram of Dark Navy rum (pussers rum in their parlance). The RAF had long since abandoned such largess, BUT - if you had a team working in cold conditions below -5C and for more than an hour, the Officer i/c could ask the unit medical officer to 'authorize the issue of a rum ration'. So I called my mate the Station Medical Officer and asked him to authorize the issue of a rum ration which he did to ALL duty staff that night. I became popular Naut- I am currently reading "Captain James Cook and the Search for Antarctica" by James Hamilton. Extremely interesting book with a good deal of detail with regard to the severe weather conditions faced on these voyages into the unknown in the late 18th century. Indeed, the crew were issued regular rum rations to help them deal with their duties.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 4, 2021 20:33:21 GMT
It was very interesting - as someone who has spent many 'happy hours' with forecasters setting up 'Met' briefs for pilots or deciding if a few hundred people needed to be kept up all night for snow clearance**. The most difficult decision on a local level is will it snow or rain? The height of the zero degree isotherm - which also affected helicopters which had to be very cautious around the 0deg isotherm - icing in a helicopter is NOT pleasant. I went into the met office one winter weekend early morning and said to the Forecaster -"Is it going to Snow?" - His response was to throw a synoptic chart on the table and say "You tell me!" - We then looked at the 'computer forecast' the forecast from Command HQ and then why he disagreed with them and what he thought would happen. This was in the days of drawing pencil lines on the chart with hieroglyphics. I learned a lot from people like that **{ War Story Alert} I was on duty one night in Germany and the temperature was ~minus 25C and unusually we were expecting 'thunder snow' our runway had to be kept operational as we had quick react alert aircraft. So I had the 'Snow Team' report on for the night - not popular. We got heavy snow after midnight and the guys were all out in -25C and snow with snow clearance vehicles and shovels etc, Keeping a 1.5 mile runway and associated taxiways clear of snow is not an easy job. I have always been one to read regulations especially the more quirky ones. It so happens that the Royal Navy at that time was still issuing 'rum ration' to the ratings - a dram of Dark Navy rum (pussers rum in their parlance). The RAF had long since abandoned such largess, BUT - if you had a team working in cold conditions below -5C and for more than an hour, the Officer i/c could ask the unit medical officer to 'authorize the issue of a rum ration'. So I called my mate the Station Medical Officer and asked him to authorize the issue of a rum ration which he did to ALL duty staff that night. I became popular Naut- I am currently reading "Captain James Cook and the Search for Antarctica" by James Hamilton. Extremely interesting book with a good deal of detail with regard to the severe weather conditions faced on these voyages into the unknown in the late 18th century. Indeed, the crew were issued regular rum rations to help them deal with their duties. Having spent a brief and not exciting time on the Falklands - I can understand why they needed rum rations.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 6, 2021 20:21:37 GMT
"Dust preserved deep beneath the oceans for five million years confirms climate change is pushing westerly winds towards the Earth's poles
Experts studied core samples taken from deep beneath the North Pacific Ocean These samples included dust first deposited between 3-5 million years ago They compared this dust from Eastern Asia to other dust moved by the wind This allowed them to confirm that the westerlies move to the poles in warm periods - such as during the Pliocene when temperatures were 7F warmer"www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9118885/Dust-deposited-3-5-million-years-ago-confirms-climate-change-pushing-westerly-winds-poles.htmlOr to put it another way. When it is warmer the Hadley cells expand poleward. Well what a surprise!
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Post by Ratty on Jan 6, 2021 23:54:37 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 7, 2021 3:12:04 GMT
The first major issue about the diagram is that the land is only 25% or so of the surface. So the ocean should make up 75% of the surface and transpiring plants another 15%+. Most of the initial energy out of the system is by evaportranspiration and convection, think of the energy output of the Hadley cells; yet this is shown as a minor energy output. The diagram and consequently the thinking that generated it are completely wrong. I am not interested in the 'clever math' - the concepts and underlying thought processes are completely wrong. The diagram also shows what I think is misdirection rather than an error: the energy content of the Earth 'ocean/atmosphere' system is mainly held in the oceans. The top 6 meters or so of the oceans hold more energy than the entire atmosphere. Yet the concern is only over the transient temperatures at 2 meters in the atmosphere. If the Anthropogenic Global Warming hypothesis is to be falsified, it is at this conceptual level. Once you are into the math of ECS and other inventions it becomes a waste of time. Downwelling infrared increases evaporative cooling and leads to direct cooling of at least 80% of the surface then to clouds and albedo increases that significantly further cool the system. Feedbacks are almost all very strongly negative - if not the world would have burned dry already.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 9, 2021 4:12:34 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 10, 2021 5:33:20 GMT
This remains the single best explanation of what is wrong with modern day climate science ... and how the system really likely works.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 21, 2021 16:27:43 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 23, 2021 4:51:23 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 25, 2021 0:12:22 GMT
Temperatures are soaring. Storms are raging. And crops are failing. If we do not take this chance, every single one of us will be affected. ukcop26.org/uk-presidency/
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 25, 2021 3:41:48 GMT
Temperatures are soaring. Storms are raging. And crops are failing. If we do not take this chance, every single one of us will be affected. ukcop26.org/uk-presidency/We need a deep snow event that they get even in Cornwall. It is not the easiest place to get to in the UK especially when it does snow heavily. Ideally, it should snow after all the delegates have arrived and snow them in. A ship of fools event.
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Post by douglavers on Jan 25, 2021 4:40:23 GMT
www.karstenhaustein.com/climateCurrently forecasting about a +0.1degC anomaly for the end of January, for planetary average temperature. If the graph continues down through February, all the Global Warming of the past three decades will be gone. This will need to be shouted from the rooftops: PTB will do everything possible to bury this inconvenient fact. In the meantime, farmers will start to worry about foreshortened growing seasons, as they live in the real world.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 25, 2021 5:24:45 GMT
Ouuuuuuuuu! You guys are awful. I'm looking forward to the new convoluted logic. The lemmings however will not even blink.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 26, 2021 4:33:27 GMT
Excellent thread on hurricanes.
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