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Post by sigurdur on Feb 24, 2016 22:33:35 GMT
My own tree ring count analysis indicates that we should close 40 coal powered plants per year. Just out of interest Walnut, do you include locally absent and/or false bands in your counting, it's just my own research indicate we should close 38 coal powered plants , erect 50,000 wind turbines and stop cows farting...... Keep your grubby fingers away from my coal fired power plants!!
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Post by acidohm on Feb 24, 2016 22:42:01 GMT
Just out of interest Walnut, do you include locally absent and/or false bands in your counting, it's just my own research indicate we should close 38 coal powered plants , erect 50,000 wind turbines and stop cows farting...... Keep your grubby fingers away from my coal fired power plants!! Apologies...I forget which forum im on sometimes. ...this is the denialist let the world burn site, I meant to say open 38 plants, blow up 50,000 turbines, and eat McDonald's! !! :-D
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Post by Ratty on Feb 25, 2016 1:05:15 GMT
Just out of interest Walnut, do you include locally absent and/or false bands in your counting, it's just my own research indicate we should close 38 coal powered plants , erect 50,000 wind turbines and stop cows farting...... Keep your grubby fingers away from my coal fired power plants!! Don't worry Sig. The Chinese will have plenty to go round. China’s coal bubble: 155 coal-fired power plants in the pipeline despite overcapacity
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 25, 2016 2:47:27 GMT
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Post by icefisher on Feb 25, 2016 9:31:12 GMT
my how things change! So they are arguing now whether there is a hiatus, a slow down in warming or if warming is continuing at the same rate as the last 6 1/2 decades! LOL! Seems no longer on the agenda is the predictions of global warming tracking the change that CO2 emissions have increased over the last 6 1/2 decades. . . . something north of 10 times. One has to wonder how long it will take these wunderkinds to have an Eureka moment. perhaps we should have a poll.
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Post by walnut on Feb 26, 2016 13:06:32 GMT
I am still in favor of erecting a 100 foot stone monument, on which will be chiseled quotes and predictions made by our leaders, academics, and news media on the subject of AGW. This big rock will be a monument to the stupidity that humans are capable of in times of silly group think. It will serve to haunt and punish these idiots until the day they die. I would donate to this project.
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Post by icefisher on Feb 26, 2016 19:20:57 GMT
I am still in favor of erecting a 100 foot stone monument, on which will be chiseled quotes and predictions made by our leaders, academics, and news media on the subject of AGW. This big rock will be a monument to the stupidity that humans are capable of in times of silly group think. It will serve to haunt and punish these idiots until the day they die. I would donate to this project. Yep I would contribute to that. And I would contribute double if they erected it on the national mall or in the ellipse.
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Post by Ratty on Feb 26, 2016 23:12:18 GMT
I am still in favor of erecting a 100 foot stone monument, on which will be chiseled quotes and predictions made by our leaders, academics, and news media on the subject of AGW. This big rock will be a monument to the stupidity that humans are capable of in times of silly group think. It will serve to haunt and punish these idiots until the day they die. I would donate to this project. Count me in .... Aussie dollars OK? Digressing, something deep in the depths of memory suggested this to me: Ozymandias I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear -- "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away. - Percy Bysshe Shelley
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 1, 2016 20:59:17 GMT
For a short but challenging read I would recommend Science at the Crossroads by Herbert Dingle A treatise on Science and Special Relativity that makes an interesting document to read "It remains to summarise the necessity for this exposure, which of course is elaborated in the following pages. This necessity is twofold. First, the facts show, I think beyond question, that the traditional proud claim of Science that it acknowledges the absolute authority of experience (i.e. observation and experiment) and reason over all theories, hypotheses, prejudices, expectations or probabilities, however apparently firmly established, can no longer be upheld. The devotion to truth at all costs has gradually given place — largely unconsciously, I believe, but still undeniably — to the blind pursuit of the superficially plausible; the direction towards the most seductive, in which advance has been easiest, has been taken without regard to preservation of contact with the base, which is the truth of experience and reason;"You will see the connection with this thread's title
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Post by icefisher on Mar 1, 2016 22:36:25 GMT
For a short but challenging read I would recommend Science at the Crossroads by Herbert Dingle A treatise on Science and Special Relativity that makes an interesting document to read "It remains to summarise the necessity for this exposure, which of course is elaborated in the following pages. This necessity is twofold. First, the facts show, I think beyond question, that the traditional proud claim of Science that it acknowledges the absolute authority of experience (i.e. observation and experiment) and reason over all theories, hypotheses, prejudices, expectations or probabilities, however apparently firmly established, can no longer be upheld. The devotion to truth at all costs has gradually given place — largely unconsciously, I believe, but still undeniably — to the blind pursuit of the superficially plausible; the direction towards the most seductive, in which advance has been easiest, has been taken without regard to preservation of contact with the base, which is the truth of experience and reason;"You will see the connection with this thread's title Short??
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Post by Ratty on Mar 2, 2016 1:14:29 GMT
For a short but challenging read I would recommend Science at the Crossroads by Herbert Dingle A treatise on Science and Special Relativity that makes an interesting document to read "It remains to summarise the necessity for this exposure, which of course is elaborated in the following pages. This necessity is twofold. First, the facts show, I think beyond question, that the traditional proud claim of Science that it acknowledges the absolute authority of experience (i.e. observation and experiment) and reason over all theories, hypotheses, prejudices, expectations or probabilities, however apparently firmly established, can no longer be upheld. The devotion to truth at all costs has gradually given place — largely unconsciously, I believe, but still undeniably — to the blind pursuit of the superficially plausible; the direction towards the most seductive, in which advance has been easiest, has been taken without regard to preservation of contact with the base, which is the truth of experience and reason;"You will see the connection with this thread's title Short?? It's all relevant IceFisher. A
Chronological Listing
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Post by sigurdur on Mar 2, 2016 1:19:46 GMT
There is some really good information in that link Ratty!
Thanks for bringing it to light again!
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Post by icefisher on Mar 2, 2016 4:28:29 GMT
Well I got through the first chapter and have resolved to finish it. But at the moment it reminds me very much of a philosophical argument I studied in college between inductive logicians and deductive logicians. Require reading was an article by Bertrand Russell and Peter Strawson. At the center of the discussion was the meaning of the thing called "the present king of france". Since there was no present king of france the discussion was about how deductive logic could be misconstrued. Another Philosopher Herbert Marcuse (in another philosophy class I was taking at the time) in his book the "one dimensional man" took great exception to the discussion imagining a political committee calling poets on to the carpet to explain what they meant using measures developed from the Strawson and Russell debate to determine how subversive the poet was. Quite relevant stuff for the early 70's and Marcuse a Marxist Univ of California professor at a time when Angela Davis was being hung out to dry on her views of a better society (without saying one way or the other if they were right or wrong). I think thats about where we are with science these days. Pretty scary stuff and emphasizes how fragile our freedoms are. I really like his characterization of modern science: "The devotion to truth at all costs has gradually given place — largely unconsciously, I believe, but still undeniably — to the blind pursuit of the superficially plausible;" - Then Al Gore gets his hands on it.
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 2, 2016 11:46:11 GMT
For a short but challenging read I would recommend Science at the Crossroads by Herbert Dingle A treatise on Science and Special Relativity that makes an interesting document to read "It remains to summarise the necessity for this exposure, which of course is elaborated in the following pages. This necessity is twofold. First, the facts show, I think beyond question, that the traditional proud claim of Science that it acknowledges the absolute authority of experience (i.e. observation and experiment) and reason over all theories, hypotheses, prejudices, expectations or probabilities, however apparently firmly established, can no longer be upheld. The devotion to truth at all costs has gradually given place — largely unconsciously, I believe, but still undeniably — to the blind pursuit of the superficially plausible; the direction towards the most seductive, in which advance has been easiest, has been taken without regard to preservation of contact with the base, which is the truth of experience and reason;"You will see the connection with this thread's title Short?? In comparison to what I have to read each day
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Post by icefisher on Mar 3, 2016 5:06:23 GMT
In comparison to what I have to read each day With cataract surgery not long around the corner reading has become a much greater chore.
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