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Post by duwayne on Apr 6, 2017 2:00:08 GMT
Thanks for the responses. I posted this because the carbon tax idea seems to be picking up a little momentum and you may want to have your arguments ready for your elected officials and newspaper editors when the time comes. Here in Oz, the carbon tax was dumped but ................. pollies are now talking up a new animal, an emissions intensity scheme. Australia's peak business lobby calls for emissions intensity schemeBig business is on board because it won't hurt them? Ratty, from your link....“An emissions intensity scheme provides a subsidy for less emissions-intensive generation with the cost of the scheme paid for by more emissions-intensive generators,” Westacott said. “The net effect should be no increase in price for customers.” You really have it good in OZ. You put new taxes on companies and they don't raise their prices. |
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Post by Ratty on Apr 6, 2017 7:55:24 GMT
[ Snip ] You've really have it good in OZ. You put new taxes on companies and they don't raise their prices. It's a different branch of economics in the antipodes, Duwayne. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 21, 2017 2:50:35 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jul 21, 2017 6:08:53 GMT
See, the infection is not confined to Oz. |
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Post by duwayne on Feb 13, 2019 22:07:47 GMT
This may have already been posted here but, if not, here's a link to an interactive website which allows you to calculate the reduction in global warming that would result from a given reduction in CO2 emissions. You can select your own CO2 sensitivity. It may help to know that the Hadcrut4 temperature history shows a 1.0C rise in temperatures since 1850 while CO2 increased from 280 ppm to 409 ppm. If all the temperature increase was due to CO2, the CO2 climate sensitivity would be 1.8C per doubling of CO2. www.cato.org/carbon-tax-temperature-savings-calculator |
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 14, 2019 16:25:38 GMT
This may have already been posted here but, if not, here's a link to an interactive website which allows you to calculate the reduction in global warming that would result from a given reduction in CO2 emissions. You can select your own CO2 sensitivity. It may help to know that the Hadcrut4 temperature history shows a 1.0C rise in temperatures since 1850 while CO2 increased from 280 ppm to 409 ppm. If all the temperature increase was due to CO2, the CO2 climate sensitivity would be 1.8C per doubling of CO2. www.cato.org/carbon-tax-temperature-savings-calculator You Shall Know Them By The Company They Keep. The results from our calculator are produced from climate change calculations performed using the MAGICC climate model simulator (MAGICC: Model for the Assessment of Greenhouse-gas Induced Climate Change). MAGICC was developed by scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research under funding by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
Magic and Politics www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/magic_and_politics.htmlAll this has long been familiar. In Plato’s Republic, Socrates expounds partly through a fictional tale the use of the “noble lie,” the falsehood told by the elite to maintain harmony and unity in society or to advance an agenda. The use of the noble lie, according to Socrates, and its acceptance by the three classes into which he divides society, keep them in place in the social system. Moreover, good is supposed to come out of the use of lies and myths, because if people believed in the prevalent myth into which they are indoctrinated, they would be inclined to care more for the state.
Political leaders from time immemorial have followed the argument of Socrates of a convenient fiction, a bold myth or flight of imagination, or “the noble lie,” that the community should and must accept for its own good. |
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Post by Ratty on Jun 28, 2019 12:58:00 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 28, 2019 14:09:12 GMT
Just the words in the link are enough to excite the Malthusian greens. They see humanity as a cancer on the earth (themselves not included of course) |
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 3, 2020 11:32:25 GMT
"Carbon Credit Scam Exposed: Carbon Markets Fail As CO₂ Declines
osted on Fri 04/03/2020 by PA Pundits - International
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From the team at CFACT ~
Environmentalists and green bureaucrats have watched in shock as the coronavirus global shut down has now caused carbon credit markets to crash.
The European Union’s carbon credits price has fallen by 40% this year so far. This market was worth $215 billion last year, according to Bloomberg Environment. The price drop has rubbed out two years of EU carbon market gains.
It turns out that if there are extremely low levels of carbon dioxide emissions, as is the case currently with businesses and industries shuttered, the companies doing the carbon emitting don’t have to buy any carbon credits to make up for it.
And if no one is buying carbon credits to offset emissions, well, then the so-called “market” for carbon dies.
Wait a minute, isn’t the whole idea of these carbon credits to reduce CO₂ emissions; what climate campaigners refer to as horrible pollution?
As Luke Skywalker said when approaching the Death Star for the first time in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, “I have a very bad feeling about this.”
How is it then that if the ultimate goal of near zero CO₂ emissions is achieved, the long-coveted carbon credit market crashes?
Quite plainly, it is because the existence of these markets sets up a perverse incentive."papundits.wordpress.com/2020/04/03/carbon-credit-scam-exposed-carbon-markets-fail-as-co%e2%82%82-declines/H/T to Tallblokes Talkshop tallbloke.wordpress.com/2020/04/03/carbon-credit-scam-exposed-carbon-markets-fail-as-co%e2%82%82-declines/
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 3, 2020 12:31:27 GMT
"Carbon Credit Scam Exposed: Carbon Markets Fail As CO₂ Declines
osted on Fri 04/03/2020 by PA Pundits - International
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From the team at CFACT ~
Environmentalists and green bureaucrats have watched in shock as the coronavirus global shut down has now caused carbon credit markets to crash.
The European Union’s carbon credits price has fallen by 40% this year so far. This market was worth $215 billion last year, according to Bloomberg Environment. The price drop has rubbed out two years of EU carbon market gains.
It turns out that if there are extremely low levels of carbon dioxide emissions, as is the case currently with businesses and industries shuttered, the companies doing the carbon emitting don’t have to buy any carbon credits to make up for it.
And if no one is buying carbon credits to offset emissions, well, then the so-called “market” for carbon dies.
Wait a minute, isn’t the whole idea of these carbon credits to reduce CO₂ emissions; what climate campaigners refer to as horrible pollution?
As Luke Skywalker said when approaching the Death Star for the first time in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, “I have a very bad feeling about this.”
How is it then that if the ultimate goal of near zero CO₂ emissions is achieved, the long-coveted carbon credit market crashes?
Quite plainly, it is because the existence of these markets sets up a perverse incentive."papundits.wordpress.com/2020/04/03/carbon-credit-scam-exposed-carbon-markets-fail-as-co%e2%82%82-declines/H/T to Tallblokes Talkshop tallbloke.wordpress.com/2020/04/03/carbon-credit-scam-exposed-carbon-markets-fail-as-co%e2%82%82-declines/ I have just realized that if Astromet is correct and we go into a cold phase now. It will be claimed that it was the COVID-19 drop in CO2 that did it.  |
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 3, 2020 16:00:20 GMT
"Carbon Credit Scam Exposed: Carbon Markets Fail As CO₂ Declines
osted on Fri 04/03/2020 by PA Pundits - International
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From the team at CFACT ~
Environmentalists and green bureaucrats have watched in shock as the coronavirus global shut down has now caused carbon credit markets to crash.
The European Union’s carbon credits price has fallen by 40% this year so far. This market was worth $215 billion last year, according to Bloomberg Environment. The price drop has rubbed out two years of EU carbon market gains.
It turns out that if there are extremely low levels of carbon dioxide emissions, as is the case currently with businesses and industries shuttered, the companies doing the carbon emitting don’t have to buy any carbon credits to make up for it.
And if no one is buying carbon credits to offset emissions, well, then the so-called “market” for carbon dies.
Wait a minute, isn’t the whole idea of these carbon credits to reduce CO₂ emissions; what climate campaigners refer to as horrible pollution?
As Luke Skywalker said when approaching the Death Star for the first time in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, “I have a very bad feeling about this.”
How is it then that if the ultimate goal of near zero CO₂ emissions is achieved, the long-coveted carbon credit market crashes?
Quite plainly, it is because the existence of these markets sets up a perverse incentive."papundits.wordpress.com/2020/04/03/carbon-credit-scam-exposed-carbon-markets-fail-as-co%e2%82%82-declines/H/T to Tallblokes Talkshop tallbloke.wordpress.com/2020/04/03/carbon-credit-scam-exposed-carbon-markets-fail-as-co%e2%82%82-declines/ I have just realized that if Astromet is correct and we go into a cold phase now. It will be claimed that it was the COVID-19 drop in CO2 that did it. Then the obvious policy to fix that is to fire up the coal plants. We can argue for ages over the fine tuning.   |
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 7, 2021 19:59:22 GMT
"Zero Emissions
To read in your browser click:
saltbushclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/zero-emissions.pdf
“Zero emissions” requires no diesel, petrol or gas-fuelled cars, trucks, tractors or
dozers and no burning of coal or gas for electricity generation. But without nuclear
power or a massive increase in hydro-electricity, green energy will not support metal
refining or manufacturing, and domestic electricity usage will be rationed. “Zero
emissions” will also force closure of most cement plants, mechanised farms and feed
lots and will demand nuclear or wind-powered submarines, destroyers and bulk
carriers.
In the Zero Emissions world there can be no diesel buses, oil-powered cruise liners
or jet aircraft (except fleets of climate comrades attending endless UNIPCC
conferences). Moreover, 7.8 billion humans continuously emit a lot of carbon dioxide
– maybe they plan to make the Covid masks air tight?
Zero Emissions would decimate mining, farming, forestry, fishing and tourism. As
exports fall, imports must also fall. Without diesel fuel and lubricants there will be
little surplus meat, milk, vegetables, cereals, sea food or timber for the cities, for
export, or for immigrants or refugees. Rabbits, kangaroos, possums, koalas, Murray
cod and wild pigs will become staple foods and wood/charcoal burners generating
“green” gas will again fuel antique cars and utes. Wood-burning steam-powered
traction engines may live again."
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