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Post by nautonnier on Oct 1, 2020 20:45:05 GMT
I think you're exactly wrong. The "right" has not yet shown itself willing to use violence even in the face of a long chain of abuses. What's one more? Now if Trump looks to have won, the mobs of the "left" will have yet another reason to riot. And there's only so much of THAT the "right" is likely to take. So, Trump is declared the loser but contests it based on mail in fraud, happy times ahead? The only way I see that this does not end up with riots is if Trump wins so completely in the normally voting states that even if they 'fix' the voting in the blue states that are even printing mail in ballots for deceased pets, Trump still has the electoral college votes to be elected.
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Post by tobyglyn on Oct 1, 2020 22:24:23 GMT
So, Trump is declared the loser but contests it based on mail in fraud, happy times ahead? The only way I see that this does not end up with riots is if Trump wins so completely in the normally voting states that even if they 'fix' the voting in the blue states that are even printing mail in ballots for deceased pets, Trump still has the electoral college votes to be elected. Fingers crossed that is how it pans out!
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Post by glennkoks on Oct 2, 2020 1:45:41 GMT
Trump lost the popular vote against a very poor candidate in Hillary Clinton. As of today in Vegas you have to wager 105.00 to win 100.00 on President Trump. You have to wager 135.00 on Biden to win 100.00. So Biden is not a "heavy" favorite but he is favored to win.
I prefer Vegas odds to polls because it has been my experience that talk is cheap and putting hard earned cash on the line takes fortitude. With that being said Trump was an underdog the last election cycle as well. And he beat the odds.
My point is I suspect this is going to be a very, very tight election in the electoral collage and I don't see either candidate winning by a big margin. It is very likely going to come down to four battleground states.
Trump clearly did not do himself any favors in the debate. We have one month to go and an "October Surprise" could be lurking.
Interesting months to come...
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Post by nonentropic on Oct 2, 2020 3:51:35 GMT
Not sure you got that correct!!
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Post by slh1234 on Oct 2, 2020 4:30:48 GMT
I hear the argument about Vegas vs. Other predictors quute a bit, but underdogs win more often than one might think. For example: www.oddsshark.com/sports-betting/which-sport-do-betting-underdogs-win-most-oftenI had an interesting conversation with the Mrs. This evening. We had not had a discussion like my last post. She is an immigrant from Korea. When we came across a few young people holding Biden and Inslee signs, she declared quite conclusively, "I don't like Biden. He's not strong enough for the job. I like Trump because he doesn't care that people always attack him, he focuses on upgrading the US. The US has upgraded with him." She'll vote, and that's her attitude on it. I think it's a mistake to project one's take on something like a debate onto the majority of others. What I'm seeing with non-European immigrants doesn't line up with what we're always told. What I think might be a bigger concern for Trump might be if he really has to quarantine because if his rallies stop, his ground game stops, or at least it stops in the form it has been. It seems Trump is registering many new voters at these events.
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Post by Ratty on Oct 2, 2020 8:24:12 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 2, 2020 8:42:03 GMT
Trump lost the popular vote against a very poor candidate in Hillary Clinton. As of today in Vegas you have to wager 105.00 to win 100.00 on President Trump. You have to wager 135.00 on Biden to win 100.00. So Biden is not a "heavy" favorite but he is favored to win. I prefer Vegas odds to polls because it has been my experience that talk is cheap and putting hard earned cash on the line takes fortitude. With that being said Trump was an underdog the last election cycle as well. And he beat the odds. My point is I suspect this is going to be a very, very tight election in the electoral collage and I don't see either candidate winning by a big margin. It is very likely going to come down to four battleground states. Trump clearly did not do himself any favors in the debate. We have one month to go and an "October Surprise" could be lurking. Interesting months to come... The entire reason for the Electoral College is that for the Constitutional Republic to work it is the States that vote for the president not a plebiscite of the population. Otherwise Los Angeles County alone could outvote 5 of the less populous northern states. Obviously, that is what the Democrats would like with the high populations in the coastal blue states deciding the election. It also shows that the democrats do not consider the constitutional republic limits Federal on power either. They see the president as a king with power only limited by the congress. So when the local police force in Minneapolis had a problem, the democrats in the federal congress wanted to make rules to govern the local police, totally ignoring the states rights and the city's rights. That is what would happen if Joe Biden were to be elected. Add an immediate decision to allow open borders and anyone illegal or not inside a state allowed to vote in all elections, and the (ignoring the constitution) intent to make DC a state add Puerto Rico as a State; and the democrats believe that they would have a one party system in place for decades. A globalist nirvana and precisely what the Great Reset proposed by the World Economic Forum would like to see for the entire world. This is why #Brexit caused so much upset too as the EU was effectively the model for the globalist dream - the population being governed by an unelected elite of EUrocrats. Only after the reset it would be an unelected elite in the UN together with globalist industries and billionaires running the world. This election is of global importance.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 2, 2020 8:46:49 GMT
I would think that the president is already on the Zelenko protocol with zinc/HCQ/azithromycin. Imagine if Trump, Melania, Hope Hicks all were clear of the virus by next weekend. That would put a whole lot of medics in a very difficult position. Indeed, I think that is the only way to go for the president, no other treatment would get him back in the saddle so fast, he may just isolate but carry on. Apparently, if there is an effective treatment, then there can be no emergency use early release for a vaccine by the FDA - no need as there is a treatment.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 2, 2020 10:11:15 GMT
The leftist twitterverse is dancing on what they think will be Trump's grave due to the COVID-19 infection.
If he does bounce back in a week having never stopped even though isolated it will be a Lazarus like impact on the media.
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Post by gridley on Oct 2, 2020 12:51:59 GMT
I think you're exactly wrong. The "right" has not yet shown itself willing to use violence even in the face of a long chain of abuses. What's one more? Now if Trump looks to have won, the mobs of the "left" will have yet another reason to riot. And there's only so much of THAT the "right" is likely to take. So, Trump is declared the loser but contests it based on mail in fraud, happy times ahead? Happy times are at least four years away, if they ever come again. Let's review the possible scenarios, from best to worst: 1. Trump wins in a landslide. We're spared Biden/Harris, but we get another four years of Trump and some riots. 2. Trump wins by a narrow margin, but Biden(Harris) concede. As above, with a little more rioting that quickly dies out. 3. Trump wins by a narrow margin, and Biden's teleprompter tells him to contest the election. Probably as above, but LOTS of rioting until well after the recount is over. 4. Biden appears to win the election, but Trump successfully contests it. While cities burn. More die in the riots and disruption than from Covid-19. Still, we get Trump instead of Biden-Harris. We also probably have the last presidential election in US history that isn't totally rigged. 5. Biden(really Harris) wins by a narrow margin, and Trump doesn't contest the election. No riots, but the US enters its final death spiral. 6. Bid... let's be honest, Harris, wins by a narrow margin and Trump unsuccessfully contests the election. Minor riots during the recount, otherwise as #5. 7. Harris wins in a landslide (sadly, the most likely based on current pundits & polls). Unchanged from #5. [Edit to add: I assume that if Harris wins in a landslide we'll also be treated to a Democrat-majority Senate and House, hence why 7, which has no riots, is worse than 6, which does.] All this assumes that the recounting is fairly honest - which since both sides will be watching like hawks I think is a reasonable assumption. This time.
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Post by Ratty on Oct 2, 2020 22:12:44 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 2, 2020 23:56:57 GMT
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Post by tobyglyn on Oct 3, 2020 0:17:46 GMT
I'm a little worried about: "Earlier, Trump’s physician revealed he had received a single eight-gram dose of “Regeneron’s polycloncal antibody cocktail”. “He completed the infusion without incident,” White House doctor Sean Conley said."
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Post by missouriboy on Oct 3, 2020 4:58:02 GMT
Traditional lemonade is made from "pressed" Communists.
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Post by Ratty on Oct 3, 2020 5:56:31 GMT
Traditional lemonade is made from "pressed" Communists. Is the lemonade taken orally or injected like the disinfectant?
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