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Post by acidohm on Dec 6, 2019 20:40:55 GMT
Not heard this explained before, the load a domestic area can support isnt sufficient for multiple EV's??
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 6, 2019 23:38:51 GMT
Not heard this explained before, the load a domestic area can support isnt sufficient for multiple EV's?? I just had an in line electric heater installed and had very much the same conversation with an electrician. If all the houses in the subdivision (estate) did the same the entire subdivision and perhaps town would need a new distribution system. That is without electric cars.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 7, 2019 10:46:04 GMT
Not heard this explained before, the load a domestic area can support isnt sufficient for multiple EV's?? I heard an interview on local radio with an expert of some sort talking about high-rise apartment buildings and electric vehicles. I am near certain he said that building managers limit ownership of EVs because the existing apartment feeds cannot cope with more that <x> EVs. Here's one story I found ..... My $6,000 Tesla Wall Connector
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Post by mondeoman on Dec 7, 2019 22:03:48 GMT
Not heard this explained before, the load a domestic area can support isnt sufficient for multiple EV's?? I heard an interview on local radio with an expert of some sort talking about high-rise apartment buildings and electric vehicles. I am near certain he said that building managers limit ownership of EVs because the existing apartment feeds cannot cope with more that <x> EVs. Here's one story I found ..... My $6,000 Tesla Wall ConnectorThat assumes that all vehicles charge at the same time and a long charge period - isn't the point of "smart" meters (here in the UK at least) that they can talk to the network and adjust charge rate accordingly? Not disagreeing that the infrastucture is good enough, just that the simple headline possibly isn't that simple. The Tower block / apartments / inner city charging conundrum isn't going to go away though.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 8, 2019 0:40:43 GMT
I heard an interview on local radio with an expert of some sort talking about high-rise apartment buildings and electric vehicles. I am near certain he said that building managers limit ownership of EVs because the existing apartment feeds cannot cope with more that <x> EVs. Here's one story I found ..... My $6,000 Tesla Wall Connector That assumes that all vehicles charge at the same time and a long charge period - isn't the point of "smart" meters (here in the UK at least) that they can talk to the network and adjust charge rate accordingly? Not disagreeing that the infrastucture is good enough, just that the simple headline possibly isn't that simple. The Tower block / apartments / inner city charging conundrum isn't going to go away though. Working hours of apartment dwellers might have to be compulsorily adjusted to accommodate EV charging?
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Post by mondeoman on Dec 8, 2019 20:30:28 GMT
That assumes that all vehicles charge at the same time and a long charge period - isn't the point of "smart" meters (here in the UK at least) that they can talk to the network and adjust charge rate accordingly? Not disagreeing that the infrastucture is good enough, just that the simple headline possibly isn't that simple. The Tower block / apartments / inner city charging conundrum isn't going to go away though. Working hours of apartment dwellers might have to be compulsorily adjusted to accommodate EV charging? Stranger things have been forecast... But if the Greens get their way, there will only be 1 billion of us on the planet, so we'll all be able to choose which empty apartment we want. Except we wont, because the totalitarians wont let us (and there wont be any power anywhere either)
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Post by Ratty on Dec 8, 2019 21:55:22 GMT
[ Snip ] Stranger things have been forecast... But if the Greens get their way, there will only be 1 billion of us on the planet, so we'll all be able to choose which empty apartment we want. Except we wont, because the totalitarians wont let us (and there wont be any power anywhere either) Thanks Henry. I feel so much better now .....
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 8, 2019 21:57:19 GMT
Working hours of apartment dwellers might have to be compulsorily adjusted to accommodate EV charging? Stranger things have been forecast... But if the Greens get their way, there will only be 1 billion of us on the planet, so we'll all be able to choose which empty apartment we want. Except we wont, because the totalitarians wont let us (and there wont be any power anywhere either) And all your neighbors will look like this.
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Post by acidohm on Dec 15, 2019 16:10:32 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 15, 2019 18:33:32 GMT
Only the IQ-challenged of that lot believe this is really about saving the World. The wannabe new Lords could care less if it's doable or not.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 24, 2019 10:30:05 GMT
"The Human Cost of the EV Revolution By Irina Slav - Dec 21, 2019, 6:00 PM CST
There’s a chance that the iPhone you’re about to get for Christmas contains cobalt mined by a six-year-old. There’s also a chance that that six-year-old has been killed or maimed in the processes of mining in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the lion’s share of the world’s cobalt comes from.
Or, maybe, for those whose Christmas lists are more upscale, you’ll be driving around in a new Tesla next week, with a battery containing cobalt from that same mine.
Our luxuries are necessarily someone else’s sacrifice – and sometimes that sacrifice is the ultimate one.
The EV and electronics revolutions have come at a steep human cost: a boom in child labor in the DRC as child cobalt miners offer battery makers and Big Tech cheap labor........
.....This week, International Rights Advocates filed a lawsuit against Tesla, Apple, Dell, Microsoft, and Alphabet for knowingly benefiting financially from child labor in the DRC. "oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Human-Cost-of-the-EV-Revolution.htmlANd Elon Musk and investors are making a fortune from those 6 year old child miners.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 26, 2019 19:29:51 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 27, 2019 10:11:48 GMT
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Post by douglavers on Dec 31, 2019 23:03:27 GMT
www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-21/new-study-shocks-electric-cars-considerably-worse-climate-diesel-carsArticle probably deserves a wider audience. Being politically inconvenient, probably won't get it. BTW I teamed up with a friend of mine to calculate effect of car electrification in the UK. We also concluded that the grid would collapse on any significant take-up. They would have to build a large number of new power stations to meet base demand. Not to mention [as talked about above] most house and street power circuits are grossly inadequate.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 8, 2020 17:42:06 GMT
This might make insurance a little more complicated www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-07/fire-at-norway-airport-destroys-hundreds-of-cars-grounds-planesand "What First Responders Don’t Know About Fiery Electric Vehicles
.......The accident illustrates the challenges faced by first responders unfamiliar with the special characteristics—and hazards—of electric vehicles’ powertrains. Safety experts say the only way to extinguish a lithium-ion battery inside a car is with thousands of gallons of water, much more than what it takes to stop a fire in a typical gasoline engine. The other option is to just let it burn itself out. “It’s such a difficult fire because it takes so much water to put out,” said Robert Taylor, fire marshal in Davie, Fla., where the crash occurred. In addition to fires, emergency responders dealing with EVs face risks from high-voltage cables and silent-running motors. The experience taught Taylor’s team important lessons about dealing with electric vehicles. “For us,” he said, “it’ll be the awareness of auto-ignition of the battery and knowing how long the energy remains in them.”"www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-25/tesla-fires-what-first-responders-don-t-know-about-fiery-evs
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