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Post by missouriboy on Jan 27, 2019 19:00:11 GMT
Dating attempts using y-chromosome studies assume that gene mutations are random events ... thus the number of years between ancestors on the tree can be statistically dated if only you can calculate the length and std dev surrounding those random blips. Seems to me however, there may be clusters of mutations that occur under certain stressing conditions ... let's say periodic increases in cosmic rays for example. Or something else we do not know. Chaos may simply appear to be chaotic because we cannot picture and quantify the operational forces involved.
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Post by blustnmtn on Jan 27, 2019 20:09:33 GMT
Dating attempts using y-chromosome studies assume that gene mutations are random events ... thus the number of years between ancestors on the tree can be statistically dated if only you can calculate the length and std dev surrounding those random blips. Seems to me however, there may be clusters of mutations that occur under certain stressing conditions ... let's say periodic increases in cosmic rays for example. Or something else we do not know. Chaos may simply appear to be chaotic because we cannot picture and quantify the operational forces involved. Or it’s a periodic discovery of “you can’t live with them and you can’t live without them” disrupting the propagation of the species. |
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 28, 2019 3:11:35 GMT
Dating attempts using y-chromosome studies assume that gene mutations are random events ... thus the number of years between ancestors on the tree can be statistically dated if only you can calculate the length and std dev surrounding those random blips. Seems to me however, there may be clusters of mutations that occur under certain stressing conditions ... let's say periodic increases in cosmic rays for example. Or something else we do not know. Chaos may simply appear to be chaotic because we cannot picture and quantify the operational forces involved. Or it’s a periodic discovery of “you can’t live with them and you can’t live without them” disrupting the propagation of the species. Will I mutate if I approach that one? No doubt clubs can cause mutations. |
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Post by Ratty on Jan 28, 2019 13:23:44 GMT
Or it’s a periodic discovery of “you can’t live with them and you can’t live without them” disrupting the propagation of the species. Will I mutate if I approach that one? No doubt clubs can cause mutations. .... and lacerations. |
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 28, 2019 15:33:27 GMT
Anomalous blue-eyed people came to Israel 6,500 years ago from Iran, DNA showswww.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/?fbclid=IwAR0kT6SlXCwY01UrVhMPFNjf0COLuJZY3EbefAXvLlX4F_kfY-TvQtsFvLMInteresting dating as it corresponds to a very cold period identified elsewhere as serious enough to collapse the early R1b mining and agricultural settlements of transplanted Pontic Steppe peoples (early Yamnaya) that are believed to have moved westward and set up shop in the Hungarian Basin complete with early Copper Age metalurgy, horses and cattle. This cold event also coincides with the appearance of copper mining and pre-Celtic peoples in Northern Italy. The trail of these proposed Pre-Celts is littered with copper mines and "funeral stellae", extending from the Pontic Steppe through North Italy, Southern France, coastal Spain, Brittany and Southwest England. Their descendants may have been the first to exploit tin in the Isles, with which a trading system was established back to the Med before 5500 ybp. Another cold period about 5300 ybp is proposed based on pollen evidence showing a dramatic decline in cereals and a serious depopulation of the Isles seemingly confirmed by archaeology. Stellae were often decorated with carved belts and footprints on the back.  The Kernosovskiy idol (Керносовский идол), dated to the mid 3rd millennium BC and associated with the late Pit Grave (Yamna) culture.[1]
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 28, 2019 18:00:18 GMT
Oh no, people moved in the past.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 28, 2019 18:16:44 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Jan 28, 2019 18:44:52 GMT
Anomalous blue-eyed people came to Israel 6,500 years ago from Iran, DNA showswww.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/?fbclid=IwAR0kT6SlXCwY01UrVhMPFNjf0COLuJZY3EbefAXvLlX4F_kfY-TvQtsFvLMInteresting dating as it corresponds to a very cold period identified elsewhere as serious enough to collapse the early R1b mining and agricultural settlements of transplanted Pontic Steppe peoples (early Yamnaya) that are believed to have moved westward and set up shop in the Hungarian Basin complete with early Copper Age metalurgy, horses and cattle. This cold event also coincides with the appearance of copper mining and pre-Celtic peoples in Northern Italy. The trail of these proposed Pre-Celts is littered with copper mines and "funeral stellae", extending from the Pontic Steppe through North Italy, Southern France, coastal Spain, Brittany and Southwest England. Their descendants may have been the first to exploit tin in the Isles, with which a trading system was established back to the Med before 5500 ybp. Another cold period about 5300 ybp is proposed based on pollen evidence showing a dramatic decline in cereals and a serious depopulation of the Isles seemingly confirmed by archaeology. Stellae were often decorated with carved belts and footprints on the back. The Kernosovskiy idol (Керносовский идол), dated to the mid 3rd millennium BC and associated with the late Pit Grave (Yamna) culture.[1] They say the mark of a true cornishman is dark hair and blue eyes!! |
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 28, 2019 19:44:58 GMT
Anomalous blue-eyed people came to Israel 6,500 years ago from Iran, DNA showswww.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/?fbclid=IwAR0kT6SlXCwY01UrVhMPFNjf0COLuJZY3EbefAXvLlX4F_kfY-TvQtsFvLMInteresting dating as it corresponds to a very cold period identified elsewhere as serious enough to collapse the early R1b mining and agricultural settlements of transplanted Pontic Steppe peoples (early Yamnaya) that are believed to have moved westward and set up shop in the Hungarian Basin complete with early Copper Age metalurgy, horses and cattle. This cold event also coincides with the appearance of copper mining and pre-Celtic peoples in Northern Italy. The trail of these proposed Pre-Celts is littered with copper mines and "funeral stellae", extending from the Pontic Steppe through North Italy, Southern France, coastal Spain, Brittany and Southwest England. Their descendants may have been the first to exploit tin in the Isles, with which a trading system was established back to the Med before 5500 ybp. Another cold period about 5300 ybp is proposed based on pollen evidence showing a dramatic decline in cereals and a serious depopulation of the Isles seemingly confirmed by archaeology. Stellae were often decorated with carved belts and footprints on the back. The Kernosovskiy idol (Керносовский идол), dated to the mid 3rd millennium BC and associated with the late Pit Grave (Yamna) culture.[1] They say the mark of a true cornishman is dark hair and blue eyes!! I must really check if there is a remaining concentration of the DF27 SNP in Cornwall as the dominate SNP in modern Irish, Welsh and English Celts is L21, which is believed to have arrived with the second wave of Celtic Peoples moving down the Rhine and across the Channel. Do you know if any males on your mother's side have done genetic tests? As the climate warmed again, a second major expansion of Yamnaya descendants moved north and west across the European Plain and back into the Hungarian Basin thence westward along the northern flank of the Alps. Archaeologists have tracked and named the European Plain movements by finds of distinctive pottery referred to as Bell Beaker and Corded Ware Culture. By about 4400 ybp, these peoples show up in areas of Ireland and Wales associated with copper mining. By 4200 ybp tin mines in Cornwall are being exploited. The S461 mutation is associated with this movement and its subclade L21 is the dominate SNP in the male Celtic populations of Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England. Bell Beaker is believed to have originated with the DF27 Celts of Spain and trans-located through trade and marriage. |
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 28, 2019 19:58:02 GMT
Oh no, people moved in the past. From the mid-20th century, migration dropped out of fashion and cultural diffusion became popular. People did not move in great numbers ... their technology did. Recent advances in dna analysis have shown that people did move, in great numbers and left their genetic footprint on the modern landscape. Surprise.  Your ancestors went "aViking". Mine went "aCelting". But not to worry dear Mr Professor. That battle axe embedded in that buried skull occurred via cultural diffusion. Just passing along the technology. We need something similar to occur in climate science ... or maybe it's already happening. |
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Post by blustnmtn on Feb 10, 2019 19:46:21 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Feb 10, 2019 20:58:50 GMT
It just occurred to me some people might refer to some of us on these threads as ancient... With great risk of pillaging! |
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 10, 2019 21:31:47 GMT
It just occurred to me some people might refer to some of us on these threads as ancient... They would be right based on the life span of the Middle Ages. |
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Post by fatjohn1408 on Feb 11, 2019 22:48:18 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 11, 2019 23:51:42 GMT
I'm flabbergasted. Just when you thought you'd already seen the most inane, stupidest assemblage of garbage ever assembled by the human race, someone proves you wrong. Just goes to show that the science isn't settled.  And I'm not talking about the native American population declines. Jared showed that and the causes years ago in his "Guns, Germs and Steel" book. |
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Your ancestors went "aViking". Mine went "aCelting". But not to worry dear Mr Professor. That battle axe embedded in that buried skull occurred via cultural diffusion. Just passing along the technology.
