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Post by missouriboy on Dec 20, 2019 17:38:33 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 21, 2019 4:44:35 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 31, 2019 16:41:11 GMT
"What happened to Cahokia Mounds, the largest ancient city in North America?
This extract from an article at Historic Mysteries looks at the demise of the city, linked to major climatic changes that happened centuries before the arrival of the modern industrial world. Cahokia Mounds is a UNESCO World Heritage site.
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In Southern Illinois, situated along the Mississippi River in Collinsville, an ancient settlement that we call Cahokia rose to great power between 800-1200 CE.
Nicknamed America’s Forgotten City or The City of the Sun, the massive complex once contained as many as 40,000 people and spread across nearly 4,000 acres.
The most notable features of the site are hand-made earthen mounds which held temples, political buildings, and burial pits.
Cahokia Mounds are a testament to the highly organized culture of the early Mississippian people who built the largest city in pre-Columbian North America.
The Rise of the Mound Culture
Small villages first emerged along Cahokia Creek beginning around 600 CE. Subsequently, the climate warmed and more rain found its way to Southern Illinois. Thus, villagers could easily grow an abundance of food. As a result, thousands of people migrated to the area around the Mississippi River. "More here:> tallbloke.wordpress.com/2019/12/31/what-happened-to-cahokia-mounds-the-largest-ancient-city-in-north-america/
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 6, 2020 16:58:50 GMT
West Greenland has had multiple episodes of human colonization and cultural transitions over the past 4,500 y. However, the explanations for these large-scale human migrations are varied, including climatic factors, resistance to adaptation, economic marginalization, mercantile exploration, and hostile neighborhood interactions. Evaluating the potential role of climate change is complicated by the lack of quantitative paleoclimate reconstructions near settlement areas and by the relative stability of Holocene temperature derived from ice cores atop the Greenland ice sheet. Here we present high-resolution records of temperature over the past 5,600 y based on alkenone unsaturation in sediments of two lakes in West Greenland. We find that major temperature changes in the past 4,500 y occurred abruptly (within decades), and were coeval in timing with the archaeological records of settlement and abandonment of the Saqqaq, Dorset, and Norse cultures, which suggests that abrupt temperature changes profoundly impacted human civilization in the region. Temperature variations in West Greenland display an antiphased relationship to temperature changes in Ireland over centennial to millennial timescales, resembling the interannual to multidecadal temperature seesaw associated with the North Atlantic Oscillation. www.pnas.org/content/108/24/9765/ |
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 12, 2020 1:42:41 GMT
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Post by anse on Jan 19, 2020 21:34:44 GMT
There is definitively some thruth in it and for sure the pyramids are much older than main stream science claims. I’ve become more and more convinced that the cataclysms come regulary, about 12000 years apart. There are evidences of these cycles to about 72000 years ago, related to magnetic polar excursions of Earth in combination with an enormuos solar flare or even a solar micronova due to pollution of the Sun’s corona. Several researches indicate parts of this, or the whole picture, like Robert Schoch, Douglas Vogt, Robert Felix etc. Douglas Vogt even believes that it is a completely synchronised system, that the cataclysms come 12048 years apart and that the next event will occur in 2046. Signs of this is already visible, like for example that Earth’s magnetic field strength has declined with about 25% since it was at its peak about 3000 years ago, and the decline is accelerating. Only in the last 150 years the strength has gone down with about 15%. It also seems like these events coincide with ice ages, like the abrupt change in climate 12000 years ago which pushed us back to full ice age during the Younger Dryas. Ben Davidson has taken bits and pieces from several of these researches and put the puzzle together. This has become the King of all conspiracy theories, standing alone and unmatched. I however dont think you should call it science fiction since many ancient cultures, spread apart from each other on the globe, told us more or less the same story. m.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zfMyzXqfI |
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 20, 2020 0:35:16 GMT
There is definitively some thruth in it and for sure the pyramids are much older than main stream science claims. I’ve become more and more convinced that the cataclysms come regulary, about 12000 years apart. There are evidences of these cycles to about 72000 years ago, related to magnetic polar excursions of Earth in combination with an enormuos solar flare or even a solar micronova due to pollution of the Sun’s corona. Several researches indicate parts of this, or the whole picture, like Robert Schoch, Douglas Vogt, Robert Felix etc. Douglas Vogt even believes that it is a completely synchronised system, that the cataclysms come 12048 years apart and that the next event will occur in 2046. Signs of this is already visible, like for example that Earth’s magnetic field strength has declined with about 25% since it was at its peak about 3000 years ago, and the decline is accelerating. Only in the last 150 years the strength has gone down with about 15%. It also seems like these events coincide with ice ages, like the abrupt change in climate 12000 years ago which pushed us back to full ice age during the Younger Dryas. Ben Davidson has taken bits and pieces from several of these researches and put the puzzle together. This has become the King of all conspiracy theories, standing alone and unmatched. I however dont think you should call it science fiction since many ancient cultures, spread apart from each other on the globe, told us more or less the same story. m.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zfMyzXqfIThe interesting part to me is that if there was a sudden cataclysmic event, imagine it happening now as you read this. All power is out you are in darkness or semi-darkness for days as ash/detritus rains from the sky meters thick. Somehow you manage to survive but nothing is the same. Now with just what you are standing up in record what happened just in case someone comes along to rescue you. Would your scrawlings on a rock face be any more advanced than cave paintings? You find a group of survivors and as the children grow up subsistence hunting you try to explain aircraft, guns, ships....if people remembered what granddad used to tell stories of they would be like the Indian Vedic folklore |
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 20, 2020 1:29:23 GMT
When converted to generations, the time periods of "the ancients" are not so very far away. Our Indo-European ancestors moved off the steppe headed west less than 200 generations ago. Caesar is only about 70 generations removed from today. Our very own American Revolution is only 8 generations distant.
The great 12K cataclysm would tally 400. A mere snippet of time.
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Post by acidohm on Jan 20, 2020 10:08:04 GMT
When converted to generations, the time periods of "the ancients" are not so very far away. Our Indo-European ancestors moved off the steppe headed west less than 200 generations ago. Caesar is only about 70 generations removed from today. Our very own American Revolution is only 8 generations distant. The great 12K cataclysm would tally 400. A mere snippet of time. Is this accounting for babies at 13 and dead by 30?? Both highly probable the further you go back..... One of the first US presidents still has grandchildren alive today! Tho they are old and father/grandfather had kids in 70's .... |
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 20, 2020 18:53:11 GMT
When converted to generations, the time periods of "the ancients" are not so very far away. Our Indo-European ancestors moved off the steppe headed west less than 200 generations ago. Caesar is only about 70 generations removed from today. Our very own American Revolution is only 8 generations distant. The great 12K cataclysm would tally 400. A mere snippet of time. Is this accounting for babies at 13 and dead by 30?? Both highly probable the further you go back..... One of the first US presidents still has grandchildren alive today! Tho they are old and father/grandfather had kids in 70's .... Averages are "the great leveler". Ask any climate scientist. And they still have to cheat because the damn things just won't behave.  |
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 21, 2020 12:52:00 GMT
There are large number of precisely oriented structures that are geared to identifying solstices, phases of the moon etc., all of which seem to show a sudden interest in not only astronomy but also a requirement that the structures have to survive an intense event (these aren't tree trunks being used they are heavy stones in circles or stone built buildings with carefully aligned windows). But apart from that there is, to me an inexplicable focus in many areas on the Pleiades. This is a small, insignificant cluster of stars, but for some reason they appear in many of the old writings. One wonders if Nbiru came into view in the area of the Pleiades so everyone back 12,000 years ago watched that area just in case Nbiru reappeared.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 21, 2020 15:56:55 GMT
The Smith as Purveyor of CivilizationWhile the farmer provided the food, the smith and mason provided the materials. Did the ancients provide a memory of the technology? At least one Old World complex may pre-date the postulated 12K cataclysm ... Gobekli Tepe. Less than ten years ago, Professor Klaus Schmidt and his team made one of the most important archaeological discoveries of our century. In south Turkey, close to the city of Urfa, Professor Schmidt found the Gobekli Tepe , a temple that was built at about 12,000 – 13,000 years ago by the primitive Neolithic men. The time period ( pre-pottery Neolithic A ) was at about 9600-7300 BCE, an era that archaeologists claim mankind lacked metal tools. The site is very well preserved, as it appears that its creators entombed their temples under tons of earth in order to create artificial hills over them.www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/mysterious-gobekli-tepe-inturkey-00186By the 9th to 8th centuries BC copper mines were being exploited from the near East and Serbia. The first wave of Indo-European miners are believed to have moved westward from the Balkans (fleeing cold and drought), along the Mediterranean and Atlantic littorals in the 6th century BC. Cornish tin mines are first being exploited and exported perhaps by the time of Stonehenge's beginnings. Did a knowledge of metal working develop independently? Or was there a cultural memory of sorts preserved from an earlier period? www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-oldest-copper-metallurgy-in-the-balkans/
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 21, 2020 17:53:10 GMT
The Smith as Purveyor of CivilizationWhile the farmer provided the food, the smith and mason provided the materials. Did the ancients provide a memory of the technology? At least one Old World complex may pre-date the postulated 12K cataclysm ... Gobekli Tepe. Less than ten years ago, Professor Klaus Schmidt and his team made one of the most important archaeological discoveries of our century. In south Turkey, close to the city of Urfa, Professor Schmidt found the Gobekli Tepe , a temple that was built at about 12,000 – 13,000 years ago by the primitive Neolithic men. The time period ( pre-pottery Neolithic A ) was at about 9600-7300 BCE, an era that archaeologists claim mankind lacked metal tools. The site is very well preserved, as it appears that its creators entombed their temples under tons of earth in order to create artificial hills over them.www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/mysterious-gobekli-tepe-inturkey-00186By the 9th to 8th centuries BC copper mines were being exploited from the near East and Serbia. The first wave of Indo-European miners are believed to have moved westward from the Balkans (fleeing cold and drought), along the Mediterranean and Atlantic littorals in the 6th century BC. Cornish tin mines are first being exploited and exported perhaps by the time of Stonehenge's beginnings. Did a knowledge of metal working develop independently? Or was there a cultural memory of sorts preserved from an earlier period? www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-oldest-copper-metallurgy-in-the-balkans/ So just after the ~12,000BC disaster people were building "temples" and building artificial hills over them.... To me that sounds like they were building bomb shelters. Been there done that. At the same time others were trying to work out when the next Nbiru could hit by building bombproof rock sextants to work out when the next dangerous alignment would be. And by the way after that last one the day has changed length the year has moved from that nice 360 days a year we had to some weird 365-and-a-bit day year so when do the solstices come? The Earth seems to be out of kilter all the days are screwed getting shorter and shorter and it gets all cold then all the people celebrate when they notice that the days are getting longer again... Never used to have that problem. We used to have equinoxes all year...... |
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 21, 2020 22:27:09 GMT
The Smith as Purveyor of CivilizationWhile the farmer provided the food, the smith and mason provided the materials. Did the ancients provide a memory of the technology? At least one Old World complex may pre-date the postulated 12K cataclysm ... Gobekli Tepe. Less than ten years ago, Professor Klaus Schmidt and his team made one of the most important archaeological discoveries of our century. In south Turkey, close to the city of Urfa, Professor Schmidt found the Gobekli Tepe , a temple that was built at about 12,000 – 13,000 years ago by the primitive Neolithic men. The time period ( pre-pottery Neolithic A ) was at about 9600-7300 BCE, an era that archaeologists claim mankind lacked metal tools. The site is very well preserved, as it appears that its creators entombed their temples under tons of earth in order to create artificial hills over them.www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/mysterious-gobekli-tepe-inturkey-00186By the 9th to 8th centuries BC copper mines were being exploited from the near East and Serbia. The first wave of Indo-European miners are believed to have moved westward from the Balkans (fleeing cold and drought), along the Mediterranean and Atlantic littorals in the 6th century BC. Cornish tin mines are first being exploited and exported perhaps by the time of Stonehenge's beginnings. Did a knowledge of metal working develop independently? Or was there a cultural memory of sorts preserved from an earlier period? www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-oldest-copper-metallurgy-in-the-balkans/ So just after the ~12,000BC disaster people were building "temples" and building artificial hills over them.... To me that sounds like they were building bomb shelters. Been there done that. At the same time others were trying to work out when the next Nbiru could hit by building bombproof rock sextants to work out when the next dangerous alignment would be. And by the way after that last one the day has changed length the year has moved from that nice 360 days a year we had to some weird 365-and-a-bit day year so when do the solstices come? The Earth seems to be out of kilter all the days are screwed getting shorter and shorter and it gets all cold then all the people celebrate when they notice that the days are getting longer again... Never used to have that problem. We used to have equinoxes all year......
Ancient Carvings in Turkey Show a Comet Swarm Hitting Earth Right Around The Time Civilisation Changed Foreverwww.sciencealert.com/ancient-stone-carvings-show-a-comet-hitting-earth-in-10-950-bc-and-changing-civilisation-foreverOnly took their descendants another 7000 years to start Stonehenge. maajournal.com/Issues/2017/Vol17-1/Sweatman%20and%20Tsikritsis%2017%281%29.pdfI think the Fox said a 4-letter word ... or three. |
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Post by Ratty on Jan 21, 2020 23:19:29 GMT
Fascinating stuff. When I come back, I want to be an archaeologist .... or a banker.
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