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Post by twawki on Feb 22, 2009 12:28:28 GMT
fire needs oxygen to burn. Basements are tombs as the fire can suck the oxygen out of the basement thereby suffocating the occupants
what happened in Victoria will be replicated elsewhere in Australia as the same draconian green laws that value bush over human life are maintained
With friends we have started writing to Councils in Sydney asking what policy measures they have taken since the last fires to protect life and property and what policy measures will they now take since Victorian fires - to date no response despite the letters being sent to councilors in Sutherland, Blue Mountains and Hornsby Councils - 3 areas of high fire risk.
How many more people need to needlessly die because of the green religion
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Post by kaz on Feb 23, 2009 11:22:34 GMT
my father was the NSW Fire Brigades Bush Fire Officer for many years, I have also been in the Bush Fire Brigade for two years. With temps at 40 plus, high winds and very low humidity, even if the area had been burned off in the winter, that fire would have been unstoppable. With those types of weather conditions a flame will travel across mowed lawn at a great rate of knots. The depth of the ground matter will not stop the fire from travelling.
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Post by twawki on Feb 24, 2009 12:51:15 GMT
With fuel reduction the intensity of the fire can be substantially reduced meaning less loss of life and property - there are numerous scientific papers on this and enquiries from previous fires than acknowledge this.
Think about it - a lawn does not generate a huge fireball and it could simply be put out with a hose even in hot and windy conditions. But a huge forest fire with decades of fuel piling up is an altogether different story.
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Post by woodstove on Feb 24, 2009 13:57:58 GMT
With fuel reduction the intensity of the fire can be substantially reduced meaning less loss of life and property - there are numerous scientific papers on this and enquiries from previous fires than acknowledge this. Think about it - a lawn does not generate a huge fireball and it could simply be put out with a hose even in hot and windy conditions. But a huge forest fire with decades of fuel piling up is an altogether different story. I first learned about the perils of allowing undergrowth to build (and not get diminished by natural fires periodically) in the mid-1970s while at summer camp in California's Santa Cruz mountains. How forest-management types allow the kindling to grow and grow 30 years later is beyond me. Fire is part of nature.
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Post by twawki on Feb 24, 2009 19:38:45 GMT
Agreed. Also the destruction wrought by hot fires (those with lots of fuel) is also on nature as well as man.
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Post by jorgekafkazar on Feb 25, 2009 5:49:12 GMT
Agreed. Also the destruction wrought by hot fires (those with lots of fuel) is also on nature as well as man. When I was in Montana a few years ago, I had the opportunity to fly over the fires there that year. Our pilot friend told me the latest thinking was not to prevent burning, but let it happen to minimize brush accumulation. The smoke was pretty annoying but a lot better than burning homes and residents. I don't know what the current thinking is, but at the time, they were using a lot more common sense than the Aussie watermelon heads. During and after the fires in Victoria, those same Greenshirts were posting on every blog in sight, trying to forestall criticism of Green policies "out of respect for the dead." At the same time, they were shamelessly spouting off in the media about AGW being to blame. What a bunch of hypocrites!
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Post by kiwistonewall on Feb 25, 2009 6:27:09 GMT
Australian coldwave continues in Victoria - allowing fires to be brought under control:
We have a hot day ahead on Friday, but so far:
Scoresby Mean minimum: 14.1C (Feb to date) Long term (1971-2000) is 14.2C
So in the middle of the (reportedly) massive heat wave, we are having cooler than expected minimums - and (I'll repeat the official IPCC doctrine) CO2 GH effect should increase night time minimums - so all the signs are that this is NOT CO2 induced warming.
We have only had two days over 35C (one of these was the Black Saturday 46C) and we may get one more this Friday. Normal is 2.4days >=35C.
We've had 9 days >=30C so far, with maybe one more due. The Mean is for 8.4days>=30C. Nothing particularly startling.
Apart from the inner concrete jungle, there isn't any real heat wave at all, and the record minimum low for January got no media attention.
As for the dry dry weather, Australia is a desert continent, only suited for Kangaroos and perhaps migrant Kiwis. ;D
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Post by Ratty on Feb 25, 2009 23:12:29 GMT
[snip] As for the dry dry weather, Australia is a desert continent, only suited for Kangaroos and perhaps migrant Kiwis. ;D The Tourist Commission will be coming after you again ......... When you spell Kangaroos with a capital "K", I suppose you are referring to North Melbourne Aussie Rules football team.
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Post by ron on Feb 25, 2009 23:34:38 GMT
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Post by kiwistonewall on Feb 26, 2009 0:10:44 GMT
I'm forEver UsinG Capital LeTTers when I SHouldn't. My WIFE is Always on at me about THAT. ;D
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Post by gahooduk on Feb 27, 2009 0:10:51 GMT
As for the dry dry weather, Australia is a desert continent, only suited for Kangaroos and perhaps migrant Kiwis. ;D Dry is a relative term ,especial when viewed by a Kiwi whose home country has so much rain , that is does not have mains water for most of their Houses. Here in the uk , we do not collect rainwater but we waste potable drinking water on flushing away sewage, while pumping thousand of litres of non potable water from the london underground railway due to rising inner london water tables....then biuld an expensive oil fire desalination plant on the Thames, as we are short of water
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Post by kiwistonewall on Mar 1, 2009 4:33:54 GMT
There is a joke that goes around migrant Kiwis in Australia
"I brought my de-humidifier over from New Zealand - haha"
(I didn't, as I had family here & knew how dry it was - but I've met a number who laugh at the fact that they brought over an essential NZ appliance which is totally useless in Victoria.)
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