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Post by nautonnier on Mar 15, 2009 2:29:10 GMT
Nautonnier, what *I* said was: You brought up a limited period that doesn't test Gray's hypothesis because ocean and atmosphere temperature metrics don't seem to have gone anywhere much for a few years - they're just staying high. I'm merely clarifying for you that the longer record showing ocean and atmosphere warming happening at the same time *does* appear to falsify Gray's hypothesis. Well that confused me as I had not brought up Gray at all. And I have no problem with the fact that Ocean Heat Content may have increased in the past. However, my query was specifically on the last 5 years. You appear to have answered my question that they "don'tseem to have gone anywhere much for a few years" . I think that they have actually _dropped_ over the last 5 years and that the Argo floats etc have shown this drop.
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Post by hilbert on Mar 15, 2009 21:52:53 GMT
Posted by hilbert on Yesterday at 10:11pm Pointers to basic information on these things would be appreciated.
My level of understanding is roughly: If La Nina is releasing cold to the atmosphere, doesn't that mean that the ocean is absorbing heat?
In physics there is no such thing as “cold”, there is only the absence of heat. There is also no such thing as the flow of positive charges in electric current, but it's convenient to think of it that way.
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Post by steve on Mar 16, 2009 11:21:24 GMT
Nautonnier, what *I* said was: You brought up a limited period that doesn't test Gray's hypothesis because ocean and atmosphere temperature metrics don't seem to have gone anywhere much for a few years - they're just staying high. I'm merely clarifying for you that the longer record showing ocean and atmosphere warming happening at the same time *does* appear to falsify Gray's hypothesis. Well that confused me as I had not brought up Gray at all. This is starting to sound like a poor sitcom. I know you didn't bring up Gray. Dopeydog brought up Gray and then you responded to my reply to his post with an irrelevant point about Argo data. So the bee in your bonnet about upper ocean heat content of 2003-2007 possibly falling to 2001 levels can be saved for another discussion.
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