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Post by nautonnier on Aug 4, 2019 8:57:48 GMT
Tony Heller with some very useful graphs and collations
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 5, 2019 16:20:45 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 6, 2019 10:38:01 GMT
I am currently back in the UK for a brief stay. It is noticeable that all the trees and shrubs are laden with seeds/fruit already in the first week of August. There is some weather lore that claims this means a harsh winter.
Has anyone else noticed such signs?
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Post by Ratty on Aug 6, 2019 13:01:59 GMT
I am currently back in the UK for a brief stay. It is noticeable that all the trees and shrubs are laden with seeds/fruit already in the first week of August. There is some weather lore that claims this means a harsh winter. Has anyone else noticed such signs? Not in the UK but we have seen an almost permanent flowering of various wattles since < a_long_time_ago>. Has anyone done a dendrochronology style study on pollen/sinuses? |
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 6, 2019 13:07:03 GMT
I am currently back in the UK for a brief stay. It is noticeable that all the trees and shrubs are laden with seeds/fruit already in the first week of August. There is some weather lore that claims this means a harsh winter. Has anyone else noticed such signs? Not here mid-continent at 38 N lat, but I need to get out in the woods and check. Weather service did not record any frosts for the normal apple blooming period, but there were few to no apples this year. At my house, the young apples did not bloom at all, although the peach trees did. |
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Post by acidohm on Aug 6, 2019 18:25:10 GMT
I am currently back in the UK for a brief stay. It is noticeable that all the trees and shrubs are laden with seeds/fruit already in the first week of August. There is some weather lore that claims this means a harsh winter. Has anyone else noticed such signs? Welcome back Naut! I kept hearing the same thing last year....and then it stayed mild until february.... |
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Post by nonentropic on Aug 6, 2019 23:25:27 GMT
A hot spell makes it look like an early Autumn as per last year. Not so sure the heat and the dry conditions are the cause this year.
Was there during the 5 day summer and its unlikely to have triggered much change in my view its all about night temps and daylight length.
I live at latitude 36 and the trees struggle to drop leaves and confuse the the spring kickoff often only 6 weeks of leaf free winter.
Ratty will know how daft it was for the Brits to plant traditional trees from home at a latitude such as Brisbane the leaves are falling all years on the deciduous stuff. Chainsaws are the solution actually.
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 6, 2019 23:57:45 GMT
We're right at 39 N here in Missouri, Non, square in the center of the continent and at the break point between the plains and the eastern forests. We get everything the north country gets that has enough "umphf" to get to the south country. The "umphfs" have been going back to previous winters for depth and longevity. Our records show brief periods of -20F during the bad old days of January or February. And that's back to 1880.
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Post by Ratty on Aug 7, 2019 0:07:05 GMT
A hot spell makes it look like an early Autumn as per last year. Not so sure the heat and the dry conditions are the cause this year. Was there during the 5 day summer and its unlikely to have triggered much change in my view its all about night temps and daylight length. I live at latitude 36 and the trees struggle to drop leaves and confuse the the spring kickoff often only 6 weeks of leaf free winter. Ratty will know how daft it was for the Brits to plant traditional trees from home at a latitude such as Brisbane the leaves are falling all years on the deciduous stuff. Chainsaws are the solution actually. .... unfortunately Mrs Ratty loved her trees, even the Liquidambar that buried our driveway annually. The only pic I have of it, before it got bigger:  |
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Post by walnut on Aug 7, 2019 0:08:53 GMT
We're right at 39 N here in Missouri, Non, square in the center of the continent and at the break point between the plains and the eastern forests. We get everything the north country gets that has enough "umphf" to get to the south country. The "umphfs" have been going back to previous winters for depth and longevity. Our records show brief periods of -20F during the bad old days of January or February. And that's back to 1880. That's pretty cold though, your footings must be dug almost 2 foot deep. |
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 7, 2019 0:38:35 GMT
We're right at 39 N here in Missouri, Non, square in the center of the continent and at the break point between the plains and the eastern forests. We get everything the north country gets that has enough "umphf" to get to the south country. The "umphfs" have been going back to previous winters for depth and longevity. Our records show brief periods of -20F during the bad old days of January or February. And that's back to 1880. That's pretty cold though, your footings must be dug almost 2 foot deep. I think they require 3 feet. The old engineers knew their climate. |
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Post by walnut on Aug 7, 2019 1:07:51 GMT
Wow, that's pretty deep. Northern OK hit -27 F a few years back, that's the coldest I have ever heard of. I think the frost line here is supposedly 18 or 20 inches. A few miles north makes quite a difference, or maybe I'm wrong about the frost line here. (checking, I guess it's really about 24 inches).
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 7, 2019 5:38:50 GMT
A hot spell makes it look like an early Autumn as per last year. Not so sure the heat and the dry conditions are the cause this year. Was there during the 5 day summer and its unlikely to have triggered much change in my view its all about night temps and daylight length. I live at latitude 36 and the trees struggle to drop leaves and confuse the the spring kickoff often only 6 weeks of leaf free winter. Ratty will know how daft it was for the Brits to plant traditional trees from home at a latitude such as Brisbane the leaves are falling all years on the deciduous stuff. Chainsaws are the solution actually. I travel back to Latitude 29N tomorrow - where the settlers were keen on planting Oaks, indeed they still are, every subdivision (aka housing estate) is lined with them. Fall is in March when the new growth starts and the confused trees shed their old leaves. |
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Post by nonentropic on Aug 7, 2019 5:42:00 GMT
had a friend travel their dog from UK to NZ its coat never got into the southern hemisphere summer winter cycle. As silly as trees ha.
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 10, 2019 9:13:50 GMT
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