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Post by missouriboy on Jan 19, 2021 17:29:14 GMT
Who said anything about a Harris Administration - if the Election was rigged by foreign interference it can be declared void. Trump's missed his window for that. Even those of us who are willing to accept the possibility that it was rigged now know that he won't have the support of Congress or the judiciary. He won't be able to provide the details because the tech giants will censor them. So it will effectively be his unsupported word that we need to take immediate and unprecedented action - and, sorry, while he's orders of magnitude better than Biden(Harris), I can't take his unsupported word for that. Can you? Remember bumpstocks? If he really is planning to declare the election void he should have kept pushing back at every step even after Congress certified the electoral results. Some people will back him anyway because they know a Harris (excuse me, Biden) administration with the support of both houses of Congress means a certainty of final blackout, and the *chance* that Trump can pull us out of the descending spiral is the best one we're going to get. Others won't because to go with him at THIS point is also more or less giving up on the rule of law in the short term - with nothing but Trump's character as a promise of it returning in the long term. If people are to risk their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor they tend to want better odds than that. Windows are meant for opening. In terms of "life, fortune and sacred honor" we have become too accustomed to the whisperings of lawyers and insurance companies in our comfortable ears. A full year before these words appear in our Declaration of Independence, another document was issued. It is little quoted, but should be as it follows by 2.5 months the events at Lexington and Concord, where supposedly ragtag militia kicked the ass of selected elements of the World's finest army all the way back to Boston. What were they pledging? What odds did they perceive? Doubtful if the family lawyer would approve. "What are you thinking man?" July 6, 1775 - The Continental Congress issues a Declaration on the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms detailing the colonists' reasons for fighting the British and states the Americans are "resolved to die free men rather than live as slaves."Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of taking up Arms July 6, 1775 www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/causes.htmOr perhaps Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." The Blaze provided some interesting context for this quote way back in 2013. www.theblaze.com/news/2013/04/22/did-ben-franklin-actually-think-liberty-was-more-important-than-security
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 20, 2021 18:44:26 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 22, 2021 0:49:33 GMT
I take it you missed Congress accepting the electoral college vote. We're not going to 'sort the big stuff'. Quite the opposite. And, much as I would LOVE to be wrong, I gave up hope when Trump said he was going to work towards a transition a few days ago. This isn't a movie where the cavalry comes riding in at the last moment. We lost this battle. Time to arm ourselves for the next one. I agree but still holding out hope. Where is Chuck Norris? Walnut. How are your Patriot friends doing? Are they still out of jail? Seems the FBI has lots of visual evidence. news.yahoo.com/michigan-man-accused-attacking-police-181133884.html
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Post by walnut on Jan 22, 2021 4:25:48 GMT
My one contact is fairly nuts. He goes to the supermarket to try to provoke mask arguments with the staff. Last night he was texting me at 4:30 am. I actually read his tirades, too. I'm a little concerned about his exposure, and me being in his text history lol.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 24, 2021 19:51:50 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 29, 2021 15:50:57 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Feb 7, 2021 13:37:53 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 7, 2021 15:25:17 GMT
There isn't - this is true fascism where the large industry and government work together to get what they want. So the 75,000,000 plus _must_ all work to get the voting in their states fixed as I said elsewhere the Red states should create their own 'trusted voting' system and agree the open spec and then have an open source system generated ideally using blockchain that the red states all use cooperatively. The red states using the system should call themselves the trusted voting states and the other states by definition are the untrusted voting states. Such names matter especially to the 'safe space' crowd. Note that constitutionally it is for the state legislatures (i.e. the elected representatives) to agree their voting systems and ensure that those systems are adhered to. It is NOT in the federal government's enumerated powers to tell the states how to vote; nor is it the governor's mandate or that of functionaries like state AGs. This is how the 2020 election was really lost, lack of interest from elected representatives in the state legislatures in the mechanics of postal voting. They MUST be made to be VERY interested in the security of voting for future elections.
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Post by walnut on Feb 7, 2021 19:24:40 GMT
Is there anything sacred about this 245 year old union of the states? I don't feel particularly united anymore. Desire an amicable separation. Continue to do business and freely travel, but the USA has gotten way too large to manage properly. It's just a political creature.
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 7, 2021 20:24:45 GMT
Is there anything sacred about this 245 year old union of the states? I don't feel particularly united anymore. Desire an amicable separation. Continue to do business and freely travel, but the USA has gotten way too large to manage properly. It's just a political creature. It was a little more than that when it started. The idea that for each State the individual had certain rights that the state legislature had certain powers and that the united states government had only limited enumerated powers was so different to the monarchies and dictatorships that people were running from. The Democrats seem to want a monarchy or as a minimum a presidential dictatorship with all power in the federal government. Close to no power in the state governments and subjects not citizens. You can always tell the democrats they talk about the 'democratic election' of the president. That is not how the constitution of states works but it is how they want it to work. I get the impression that we are revisiting the arguments of the framers but with less erudite and less well educated people doing the discussion. The other main change is that the Framers were intent on building a government system that would work for a long time. The current people revisiting the arguments are trying to see ways to get power or money that the Constitution prevents them from doing and they have no long term good target for the USA. That was the difference with Trump - he _was_ interested in what would be best in the long term for the USA, often to his own detriment.
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 7, 2021 22:48:20 GMT
Is there anything sacred about this 245 year old union of the states? I don't feel particularly united anymore. Desire an amicable separation. Continue to do business and freely travel, but the USA has gotten way too large to manage properly. It's just a political creature. You forgot an important adjective ... corrupt.
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 8, 2021 14:11:05 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 8, 2021 14:43:19 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Feb 9, 2021 13:41:16 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 9, 2021 14:29:08 GMT
This comes under the heading of "normalizing deviance". This level of interference in an election would have been considered beyond the pale in the 1980's but now it is being 'gloated' over as something clever. No-one in the MSM has thrown their toys out of the crib - so it is considered as 'the right thing' as 'orangeman bad'. This is why there needs to be a 'trusted voting system'.
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