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Post by nautonnier on May 20, 2021 19:19:28 GMT
Now they can tackle the strength and the length. The sample size is not large - but it seems to be an invariant correlation
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Post by acidohm on May 28, 2021 22:08:25 GMT
Think you'll like this Moboy??
Time/depth reanalysis of prior 2nd winter Nina.
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Post by missouriboy on May 29, 2021 0:08:22 GMT
Think you'll like this Moboy?? Time/depth reanalysis of prior 2nd winter Nina. Nice. Like a coiled snake that strikes in January and follows through in February. Thanks Acid. I'm buying more wool. End of May temps here are just over 10C. Way below normal, but we had similar temps end of May 2011 ... last pre-cycle Nina.
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Post by acidohm on May 29, 2021 6:47:28 GMT
Think you'll like this Moboy?? Time/depth reanalysis of prior 2nd winter Nina. Nice. Like a coiled snake that strikes in January and follows through in February. Thanks Acid. I'm buying more wool. End of May temps here are just over 10C. Way below normal, but we had similar temps end of May 2011 ... last pre-cycle Nina. We're just warming up but last week it was wet and windy like November!
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Post by missouriboy on May 29, 2021 17:28:15 GMT
Nice. Like a coiled snake that strikes in January and follows through in February. Thanks Acid. I'm buying more wool. End of May temps here are just over 10C. Way below normal, but we had similar temps end of May 2011 ... last pre-cycle Nina. We're just warming up but last week it was wet and windy like November! Would be nice to have that 3-D database. There seems a distinct upward plume in the Oct-Feb time period that feeds that westward pulse of cold water. There seems something more here than just Easterlies. Something deeper perhaps ... and/or from further south.
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Post by neilhamp on Jun 4, 2021 6:24:18 GMT
Missouriboy,
Await with interest your end of May chart updates. Is this Nina going to dwindle away to neutral conditions or not?
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 4, 2021 13:39:11 GMT
Missouriboy, Await with interest your end of May chart updates. Is this Nina going to dwindle away to neutral conditions or not? La Nina 2021 continues to be concentrated in Nino Zone 3 and is drifting into the summer low period between the first and second year cold phases at a lower level than Nina 2010-11, at the front end of solar cycle 24.
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Post by acidohm on Jun 6, 2021 7:15:00 GMT
Missouriboy, Await with interest your end of May chart updates. Is this Nina going to dwindle away to neutral conditions or not? La Nina 2021 continues to be concentrated in Nino Zone 3 and is drifting into the summer low period between the first and second year cold phases at a lower level than Nina 2010-11, at the front end of solar cycle 24. Interesting it's at '98 levels rather then '10. As someone who expected a neutralisation prior to any 2nd dip, its still a long winded process and as the months slip by its hard to see any future dip in current data. Your graphs Mr.M show everything is very much on track!
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 7, 2021 1:30:11 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 7, 2021 17:52:55 GMT
So the climate shift 'correlated' with a change in 'greenhouse forcing' so the climate shift was _caused_ by the climate forcing? Dressed up in multi syllable grammar with references - but the argument is that the correlated forcing caused the climate shift because there was a temporal correlation. I am not saying that it is impossible but the reasoning needs to be better than when you slammed the kitchen door the power went out - ergo....."
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 7, 2021 19:15:02 GMT
So the climate shift 'correlated' with a change in 'greenhouse forcing' so the climate shift was _caused_ by the climate forcing? Dressed up in multi syllable grammar with references - but the argument is that the correlated forcing caused the climate shift because there was a temporal correlation. I am not saying that it is impossible but the reasoning needs to be better than when you slammed the kitchen door the power went out - ergo....." We have already seen how tropical and global UAH temperatures follow ENSO. If a picture (chart) is worth a thousand words, then they seem to be downplaying solar effects on the shift. Naturally, anthropogenic takes precedence, as we are so much more powerful than the sun.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 7, 2021 20:24:50 GMT
The sun influences climate??? What a novel idea 💡
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Post by Ratty on Jun 7, 2021 21:34:28 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 8, 2021 3:59:26 GMT
The sun influences climate??? What a novel idea 💡 Yeh. Some Greek came up with that no doubt. But cave men knew it in their bones. Seems that AGWers are dumber than cave men.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 8, 2021 12:38:57 GMT
The sun influences climate??? What a novel idea 💡 Yeh. Some Greek came up with that no doubt. But cave men knew it in their bones. Seems that AGWers are dumber than cave men. I believe that the phrase used now is: " Neanderthal thinking"
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