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Post by nautonnier on Feb 20, 2021 16:41:16 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 20, 2021 19:38:04 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 21, 2021 15:43:46 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 21, 2021 16:15:00 GMT
It is all contractual. Replacing power from a generator who fails to supply power as contracted should result in that generator paying whatever the spot price is to replace the power they should have supplied. There should be no contractual 'oh that's alright then' to the windfarms or any other generator for failure to produce. Default on supplying the contracted power ought to be a really really painful potentially company ending issue. The generators need to worry about insulating water supplies and what to do when the wind doesn't blow and other exceptions. It is not for the grid to coddle suppliers who cannot supply. The beancounters at the generation companies must be frightened for their jobs if the generation is not reliable - if that means each wind plant having a CCGT on call to fill in the gaps then that is what it needs. The CCGTs will also need to be winterized none of the beancounter 'but how often does _That_ event happen' arguments can be accepted, if a beancounter turns down a winterizing or generation reliability idea due to a low event probability, I would link the beancounter continued employment to that event that puts 'skin in the game' and the debate becomes more realistic. I have found beancouners start to be a lot more realistic when their jobs are affected by their decisions. What should not happen is politicians starting to play generation engineers and 'fix' this problem. They need to stay in the blackbox view of the generation. The power went off do NOT let that happen again.
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Post by sigurdur on Feb 21, 2021 19:14:18 GMT
It is all contractual. Replacing power from a generator who fails to supply power as contracted should result in that generator paying whatever the spot price is to replace the power they should have supplied. There should be no contractual 'oh that's alright then' to the windfarms or any other generator for failure to produce. Default on supplying the contracted power ought to be a really really painful potentially company ending issue. The generators need to worry about insulating water supplies and what to do when the wind doesn't blow and other exceptions. It is not for the grid to coddle suppliers who cannot supply. The beancounters at the generation companies must be frightened for their jobs if the generation is not reliable - if that means each wind plant having a CCGT on call to fill in the gaps then that is what it needs. The CCGTs will also need to be winterized none of the beancounter 'but how often does _That_ event happen' arguments can be accepted, if a beancounter turns down a winterizing or generation reliability idea due to a low event probability, I would link the beancounter continued employment to that event that puts 'skin in the game' and the debate becomes more realistic. I have found beancouners start to be a lot more realistic when their jobs are affected by their decisions. What should not happen is politicians starting to play generation engineers and 'fix' this problem. They need to stay in the blackbox view of the generation. The power went off do NOT let that happen again. Remove "Force Majeure" from the contracts. The results will amaze everyone!
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 22, 2021 17:07:11 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 22, 2021 20:23:03 GMT
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Post by walnut on Feb 25, 2021 18:07:46 GMT
Trying to figure out the low overnight- seeing something that says -13.. did it really get that cold?? They forecast -10F here, but I didn't stay up to view the results. It is now sunny and very pleasant in comparison. If this were Alaska, I'd be sunbathing on the deck. I'm writing a thank you note to my city utility, and asking them what they attribute their success to. Not a single outage. We do have a nuclear power plant just down the road. It is a baseload regulator as I understand it. Just received our first gas bill since the storm. It was dated service through Feb 17. So there are a few cold days after that date, but it captured the worst of it I think. $163.25- a little higher than normal but better than I'd feared, seemed like they were getting us ready with talk of "we have to pass our gas costs on to the consumers" warnings similar to the Texas utilities. Oklahoma gets cold and should certainly be prepared for this level of event.
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 26, 2021 1:43:03 GMT
They forecast -10F here, but I didn't stay up to view the results. It is now sunny and very pleasant in comparison. If this were Alaska, I'd be sunbathing on the deck. I'm writing a thank you note to my city utility, and asking them what they attribute their success to. Not a single outage. We do have a nuclear power plant just down the road. It is a baseload regulator as I understand it. Just received our first gas bill since the storm. It was dated service through Feb 17. So there are a few cold days after that date, but it captured the worst of it I think. $163.25- a little higher than normal but better than I'd feared, seemed like they were getting us ready with talk of "we have to pass our gas costs on to the consumers" warnings similar to the Texas utilities. Oklahoma gets cold and should certainly be prepared for this level of event. Wait till Joe tells them they can charge whatever they want to and must cut consumption by (insert %) ... on top of the new raft of Federal taxes. And of course we'll keep our mouths shut as we are in training for our cowardly peon role. Might even send him a thank you note.
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Post by walnut on Mar 2, 2021 15:04:57 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 4, 2021 21:06:41 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 5, 2021 0:48:42 GMT
Must be serious. My daffodils are gathering in prayer circles.
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Post by missouriboy on Mar 8, 2021 4:04:23 GMT
Northern advice for Southern neighbors when it gets cold
Most of us know some of these and maybe some of us know all of these, but this concise little video goes over lots of ways to stay warm and maybe have a little power, etc when the power goes out in cold conditions like what Texas experienced.
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 8, 2021 16:13:10 GMT
Northern advice for Southern neighbors when it gets cold Most of us know some of these and maybe some of us know all of these, but this concise little video goes over lots of ways to stay warm and maybe have a little power, etc when the power goes out in cold conditions like what Texas experienced. The first week his family were in their old place they were nine days without power..... Hmmmm a climate scientist obviously
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Post by douglavers on Mar 9, 2021 11:51:52 GMT
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