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Post by walnut on Jan 25, 2021 23:20:49 GMT
The poor guy has no clue. Try telling any democrat congressman that they don't exist.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 26, 2021 2:12:39 GMT
The poor guy has no clue. Try telling any democrat congressman that they don't exist. That's exactly what we should tell them. And that's when they go poof.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 26, 2021 2:48:47 GMT
The poor guy has no clue. But he is talking to people who have no clue - so they will believe him and vote for him/Democrats again Remember the Goebbels 'big lie'
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 26, 2021 4:35:36 GMT
The poor guy has no clue. But he is talking to people who have no clue - so they will believe him and vote for him/Democrats again Remember the Goebbels 'big lie' My Facebook page got deleted because I posted a few Goebbel quotes.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 26, 2021 7:59:58 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 26, 2021 8:00:46 GMT
But he is talking to people who have no clue - so they will believe him and vote for him/Democrats again Remember the Goebbels 'big lie' My Facebook page got deleted because I posted a few Goebbel quotes. Try Marx.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 26, 2021 8:23:28 GMT
And the rush became a flood. Expect it to grow as the Bernie Bro urban minions snuggle up to the Biden plate of unlimited and misdirected debt. The refugees may need to be disinfected before they are allowed to drop anchor. Certain dogmas spread like a bad case of lice. Tech Workers Flee San Franciscowww.breitbart.com/tech/2021/01/25/tech-workers-flee-san-francisco/
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 26, 2021 13:23:41 GMT
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Post by gridley on Jan 26, 2021 13:34:06 GMT
I am not very concerned about the Biden Presidency. After 47 years in the swamp he owe's something to everyone so I don't think there will be massive disruptive change. The Supreme Court is very conservative and the Senate is pretty much knotted up. Republicans actually gained seats in the House. All bets are off if Biden is unable to finish his term. Um... The "Democratic" party has a majority in both houses of Congress and from early voting it appears there is a higher than usual population of RINOs. The Supreme Court is at most two seats flips from being extremely liberal. There was talk about removing justices and/or packing the court even late last year. Biden would be unlikely to finish his term even if we only assume natural causes and a vested interest in keeping him in office - look at how old he is if nothing else. And... why should we assume natural causes? Look at who got the VP slot. Finally, what makes you think he even knows what day it is, much less remembers who he owes favors to?
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Post by walnut on Jan 26, 2021 13:55:00 GMT
I am not very concerned about the Biden Presidency. After 47 years in the swamp he owe's something to everyone so I don't think there will be massive disruptive change. The Supreme Court is very conservative and the Senate is pretty much knotted up. Republicans actually gained seats in the House. All bets are off if Biden is unable to finish his term. Um... The "Democratic" party has a majority in both houses of Congress and from early voting it appears there is a higher than usual population of RINOs. The Supreme Court is at most two seats flips from being extremely liberal. There was talk about removing justices and/or packing the court even late last year. Biden would be unlikely to finish his term even if we only assume natural causes and a vested interest in keeping him in office - look at how old he is if nothing else. And... why should we assume natural causes? Look at who got the VP slot. Finally, what makes you think he even knows what day it is, much less remembers who he owes favors to? If nothing else, this election confirmed it- yes , there really is someone else in charge. And at least for now, that is actually rather comforting to know.
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Post by gridley on Jan 26, 2021 14:07:42 GMT
If nothing else, this election confirmed it- yes , there really is someone else in charge. And at least for now, that is actually rather comforting to know. I'm afraid I can't agree - if you know who is in charge, you at least have a shot at removing them from power. If you don't know, you can't do anything about their control. If we knew Biden was in charge, we could content ourselves with the knowledge that we get a shot at removing him from office in four years and he might easily die sooner. But... we know he isn't. He's doing what the earbud and teleprompter tell him too. So who's to say whoever is pulling Biden's strings won't be pulling the strings of the next president, perhaps less obviously? And the next? And the next? Say whatever you want about Trump, I never heard anyone claim someone else was pulling his strings while he was in office.
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Post by walnut on Jan 26, 2021 14:33:42 GMT
If nothing else, this election confirmed it- yes , there really is someone else in charge. And at least for now, that is actually rather comforting to know. I'm afraid I can't agree - if you know who is in charge, you at least have a shot at removing them from power. If you don't know, you can't do anything about their control. If we knew Biden was in charge, we could content ourselves with the knowledge that we get a shot at removing him from office in four years and he might easily die sooner. But... we know he isn't. He's doing what the earbud and teleprompter tell him too. So who's to say whoever is pulling Biden's strings won't be pulling the strings of the next president, perhaps less obviously? And the next? And the next?Say whatever you want about Trump, I never heard anyone claim someone else was pulling his strings while he was in office. They almost certainly will. If Trump couldn't end it, we may be out of luck.
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Post by gridley on Jan 26, 2021 14:50:24 GMT
I'm afraid I can't agree - if you know who is in charge, you at least have a shot at removing them from power. If you don't know, you can't do anything about their control. If we knew Biden was in charge, we could content ourselves with the knowledge that we get a shot at removing him from office in four years and he might easily die sooner. But... we know he isn't. He's doing what the earbud and teleprompter tell him too. So who's to say whoever is pulling Biden's strings won't be pulling the strings of the next president, perhaps less obviously? And the next? And the next?Say whatever you want about Trump, I never heard anyone claim someone else was pulling his strings while he was in office. They almost certainly will. If Trump couldn't end it, we may be out of luck. While I'm not sure Biden is the first sock puppet president (Obama didn't get called the teleprompter president for nothing, though at the time I assumed that was just due to a complete lack of public speaking skills - similar to his complete lack of any other useful skills or character traits), I think he might be. I never got any sense that Clinton or either Bush, for example, were dancing to a particular set of piping. Of course they all had various factions trying to influence them and often succeeding, but that's somewhat different. If any one person was pulling Reagan's stings they were a true master of the art.
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Post by walnut on Jan 26, 2021 15:19:13 GMT
They almost certainly will. If Trump couldn't end it, we may be out of luck. While I'm not sure Biden is the first sock puppet president (Obama didn't get called the teleprompter president for nothing, though at the time I assumed that was just due to a complete lack of public speaking skills - similar to his complete lack of any other useful skills or character traits), I think he might be. I never got any sense that Clinton or either Bush, for example, were dancing to a particular set of piping. Of course they all had various factions trying to influence them and often succeeding, but that's somewhat different. If any one person was pulling Reagan's stings they were a true master of the art. Biden and Obama might have been the first puppet presidents in our time. But I think that there was a deep state back through the Bush's.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 26, 2021 20:36:09 GMT
While I'm not sure Biden is the first sock puppet president (Obama didn't get called the teleprompter president for nothing, though at the time I assumed that was just due to a complete lack of public speaking skills - similar to his complete lack of any other useful skills or character traits), I think he might be. I never got any sense that Clinton or either Bush, for example, were dancing to a particular set of piping. Of course they all had various factions trying to influence them and often succeeding, but that's somewhat different. If any one person was pulling Reagan's stings they were a true master of the art. Biden and Obama might have been the first puppet presidents in our time. But I think that there was a deep state back through the Bush's. I agree, there is always a tendency for there to be a 'deep state' effect as soon as there are powerful civil service bureaucrats. These people can wait for the next set of politicians as they know that they will be in post for another 20+ years. What I saw with the UK civil servants was that in the first 6 weeks or so of a 'new' politician boss (cabinet secretary etc) was that they would push things through while the politician was trying to remember where the office was. Then if the politician was 'friendly' to their point of view they would carry on pressing what the bureaucrats wanted - regardless of what was asked through the normal legislative route. If the politician was 'unfriendly' then all the legislative route changes they did not like would be slow walked and those they did like accelerated. Or the group would just wait until the next change in government. We saw a lot of that in the last year of Trump's presidency where even simple things were slow walked. So the SWAMP is not the politicians it is the career bureaucrats. The Fauci's who are adept at not doing what they are asked and delaying things while appearing to be completely cooperative. DC unfortunately, is a breeding ground for this approach. It was never intended to be a state size gathering of civil servants. Rather than be a state DC should be reduced in size no more than say 30 people per secretary of state, any more should be farmed out to a state. So Department of Agriculture - IOWA, Energy - Texas, Transport New York etc etc. Even there limit the number of employees of each department in a state to say 1000. Any more and pick a new state. So we are now in the position that we have a Swamp which is really made up of 'the elite' (they think) and the billionaires and movers and shakers. Vs everyone else. The elite pretend to change from Democrat to Republican but they don't really - like Mitt Romney an interchangeable member of the elite.
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