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Post by nautonnier on Dec 15, 2020 22:01:39 GMT
I was talking to a Chinese (but US citizen) colleague in the same company a year or so ago and mentioned something in the news about China - and he said we can talk when we meet tomorrow not on the phone. He was serious. <<<SNIP>>> <<<SNIP>>> The Chinese do not think that Western business is stupid they know that Western business is stupid and only concerned with money in the short term, which the Chinese consider is a weakness of the current capitalist system. It is like playing chess and only thinking one move ahead. I hope that Lenovo is not involved in this, a great bang for the buck computer free of bloatware (at least non espionage bloatware) and I like their Motorola phones too. Well they -Did- have a problem not sure whether they still do.. baltimorepostexaminer.com/lenovos-pcs-spy-china/2015/02/24 |
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Post by walnut on Dec 15, 2020 22:14:21 GMT
I hope that Lenovo is not involved in this, a great bang for the buck computer free of bloatware (at least non espionage bloatware) and I like their Motorola phones too. Well they -Did- have a problem not sure whether they still do.. baltimorepostexaminer.com/lenovos-pcs-spy-china/2015/02/24Well, that sucks. Way better than their clunky HP peer computers. Now I know why, it's subsidized by the Chinese defense budget. Why would we assume that the US companies do not have similar sinister circuitry? It's all the same to me. |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 16, 2020 0:34:49 GMT
Well, that sucks. Way better than their clunky HP peer computers. Now I know why, it's subsidized by the Chinese defense budget. Why would we assume that the US companies do not have similar sinister circuitry? It's all the same to me. Do you speak CCP? Do you want to?  |
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Post by walnut on Dec 16, 2020 1:49:43 GMT
Well, that sucks. Way better than their clunky HP peer computers. Now I know why, it's subsidized by the Chinese defense budget. Why would we assume that the US companies do not have similar sinister circuitry? It's all the same to me. Do you speak CCP? Do you want to? I don't and don't want to. But calling it as fair as I can, some Chinese goods are now as good as most American. Certainly at any given price point. That includes tools, too. They know heat treating and metallurgy. And Hewlett Packard, the formerly great company which invented the iconic 12C, was harmed by Carly Fiorina and all her silly deals.  |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 16, 2020 4:00:05 GMT
No matter how good they are, I won't buy Communist output. There are plenty of other competitors around.
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Post by walnut on Dec 16, 2020 4:17:05 GMT
No matter how good they are, I won't buy Communist output. There are plenty of other competitors around. I'm not rich enough to live by a creed like that. I buy quite a lot of tools and hardware, and chemicals. So many, most even, well known American makes are actually made to specification in China. I'm glad some have been coming back home to the US, or at least leaving China. "Why would we assume that the US companies do not have similar sinister circuitry? It's all the same to me." - by that I mean, I don't trust seditious US tech companies any more than I would Lenovo, who makes good products for a good price. Who is likely the bigger enemy of America, Google or Lenovo? I don't know. |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 16, 2020 6:14:04 GMT
No matter how good they are, I won't buy Communist output. There are plenty of other competitors around. I'm not rich enough to live by a creed like that. I buy quite a lot of tools and hardware, and chemicals. So many, most even, well known American makes are actually made to specification in China. I'm glad some have been coming back home to the US, or at least leaving China. "Why would we assume that the US companies do not have similar sinister circuitry? It's all the same to me." - by that I mean, I don't trust seditious US tech companies any more than I would Lenovo, who makes good products for a good price. Who is likely the bigger enemy of America, Google or Lenovo? I don't know. That last one is a good point ... and I try to avoid them as well. Hard to tell their philosophies apart. Most powerful Communists are really just modern day feudal Lords. |
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Post by walnut on Dec 16, 2020 13:39:16 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder if it might be wise to begin getting ready, just in case, for some civil unrest, such as if martial law is declared. Is our money safe in bank accounts?
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 16, 2020 14:34:05 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder if it might be wise to begin getting ready, just in case, for some civil unrest, such as if martial law is declared. Is our money safe in bank accounts? Always good to be able to support you and yours independently for a period of time (pick your period) if "the normal world" is disrupted. As an old realtor friend used to say ... when you're looking to make a deal, "money talks and cash screams". You can substitute other nouns for cash. |
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Post by gridley on Dec 16, 2020 15:35:08 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder if it might be wise to begin getting ready, just in case, for some civil unrest, such as if martial law is declared. Is our money safe in bank accounts? Always good to be able to support you and yours independently for a period of time (pick your period) if "the normal world" is disrupted. As an old realtor friend used to say ... when you're looking to make a deal, "money talks and cash screams". You can substitute other nouns for cash. *In theory* yes, your money (up to the FDIC limit, anyway) is safe in bank accounts. In reality, your money is exactly as safe as the government wants it to be. The IRS can decide you owe them money, and can then freeze/seize your assets... including the money you'd need to hire a lawyer to try to prove you didn't do anything wrong in the first place. Here's the kicker, though: fiat currency like the US$ has exactly ZERO real value. Money having value is an illusion. Luckily, as long as we all share the illusion (or pretend to), it works fine as a medium of exchange and helps the economy run smoothly. However if there is real large-scale disruption (runs on toilet paper during the pandemic don't count), a lot of people will devalue even cash if they are being asked to turn over real goods in exchange. It may help to think of money - yes, even cash - as a commodity. Under normal circumstances it has a certain value, and can be traded for an equal value of food, gasoline, or whatever. But scare commodities have a strong tendency to rise in value compared to more plentiful ones; if food becomes scarce and US$ remain plentiful, the amount of US$ you have to exchange for a given amount of food will tend to go up. But let's back up one step - food has a certain intrinsic value; even if you can't trade it to someone else, you can eat it yourself. Money doesn't. You can't get anything out of eating it. If it is in your bank you can't even burn it for heat. So perhaps the question you should be asking is "I'm beginning to wonder if it might be wise to begin getting ready, just in case, for some civil unrest, such as if martial law is declared. What should I spend my money on *now* that I'll want to have on hand *then*?" |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 16, 2020 18:33:47 GMT
That which you'll use or need (or others will use or need) will never go to waste ... assuming it's in the proper storage medium. Paper money has damn few calories or btus.
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Post by duwayne on Dec 16, 2020 18:36:42 GMT
No matter how good they are, I won't buy Communist output. There are plenty of other competitors around. I'm not rich enough to live by a creed like that. I buy quite a lot of tools and hardware, and chemicals. So many, most even, well known American makes are actually made to specification in China. I'm glad some have been coming back home to the US, or at least leaving China. "Why would we assume that the US companies do not have similar sinister circuitry? It's all the same to me." - by that I mean, I don't trust seditious US tech companies any more than I would Lenovo, who makes good products for a good price. Who is likely the bigger enemy of America, Google or Lenovo? I don't know. The Chinese have or at least had one quality control technique that's not used in the US. When I was there many years ago when my engineering group was overseeing the design, construction and startup of several chemical plants in China, the Chinese plant manager of a nearby refrigerator manufacturing plant was executed on the public square for continued poor product quality. |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 16, 2020 19:45:31 GMT
I'm not rich enough to live by a creed like that. I buy quite a lot of tools and hardware, and chemicals. So many, most even, well known American makes are actually made to specification in China. I'm glad some have been coming back home to the US, or at least leaving China. "Why would we assume that the US companies do not have similar sinister circuitry? It's all the same to me." - by that I mean, I don't trust seditious US tech companies any more than I would Lenovo, who makes good products for a good price. Who is likely the bigger enemy of America, Google or Lenovo? I don't know. The Chinese have or at least had one quality control technique that's not used in the US. When I was there many years ago when my engineering group was overseeing the design, construction and startup of several chemical plants in China, the Chinese plant manager of a nearby refrigerator manufacturing plant was executed on the public square for continued poor product quality. Wonder if that's what happened to a couple of Google employees that used to contact me. Haven't heard from them for awhile. |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 17, 2020 4:38:55 GMT
By now, none need guess why this is important. All roads lead to Dominion and the Democrats.
BREAKING – CBS correspondent Catherine Herridge reported Wednesday that DNI John Ratcliffe told CBS “that there was foreign election interference by China, Iran, and Russia in November of this year.” 100percentfedup.com/huge-breaking-cbs-catherine-herridge-reports-dni-john-ratcliffe-confirmed-there-was-foreign-election-interference-by-china-iran-russia-in-november-video/The Report associated with this Executive Order is due on Friday. Me thinks that the summary has already been discussed. This Executive order may be the vehicle by which the counter coup is launched ... as explained previously in ... www.martingeddes.com/the-digital-coup-and-the-great-exposure/November 27, 2020 By Martin Geddes In the next few weeks, the awful truth about the recent US election and the attempted theft of the Presidency from the People will become impossible to ignore. The Director of National Intelligence is tasked with delivering his assessment of the integrity of the election within 45 days — the deadline being December 18th. Other lawsuits and events are progressing in the interim. We are already witnessing the run-up to the disclosure of fraud and foreign interference prior to the December 14th electoral college vote. Fraud vitiates everything and annuls the Biden candidacy; foreign interference makes this a matter of military law. You are going to see a mass treason event and huge numbers of people brought to justice. This wasn’t really an election; it was a military intelligence sting operation against a corrupt establishment. Calling all oddsmakers. Is the Christmas Package in the mail?
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Post by gridley on Dec 17, 2020 12:43:53 GMT
November 27, 2020 By Martin Geddes In the next few weeks, the awful truth about the recent US election and the attempted theft of the Presidency from the People will become impossible to ignore. The Director of National Intelligence is tasked with delivering his assessment of the integrity of the election within 45 days — the deadline being December 18th. That assumes the DNI can't be bought. Lots of Dems have deep pockets. It also assumes the MSM and Dems can't successfully paint a report citing significant fraud as "fake news". And remember at this point they don't need to persuade the populace - just certain elements of the legislatures (most of whose members have proven they can be bought and/or tricked easily) and judicial system (which doesn't, in general, seem to be interested). |
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