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Post by bxs on Jan 16, 2010 1:27:28 GMT
I have always wondered, and I am hoping, people here can satisfy my curiosity. Maybe we might even stumble onto something new. What did this really do to Earth with regards to our solar system, axis and/or trajectory shifts, magnetic fields disruption? and of course any other effects globally? ---------------------------- The Tsar Bomba was flown to its test site by a specially modified Tu-95V release plane, flown by Major Andrei Durnovtsev, which took off from an airfield in the Kola peninsula. The release plane was accompanied by a Tu-16 observer plane that took air samples and filmed the test. Both aircraft were painted with a special reflective white paint to limit heat damage. The bomb, weighing 27 tons, was so large (8 metres (26 ft) long by 2 metres (6.6 ft) in diameter) that the Tu-95V had to have its bomb bay doors and fuselage fuel tanks removed. The bomb was attached to an 800 kilogram fall-retardation parachute, which gave the release and observer planes time to fly about 45 kilometres (28 mi) from ground zero. The Tsar Bomba detonated at 11:32 on October 30, 1961 over the Mityushikha Bay nuclear testing range (Sukhoy Nos Zone C), north of the Arctic Circle on Novaya Zemlya Island in the Arctic Sea. The bomb was dropped from an altitude of 10.5 kilometres (6.5 mi); it was designed to detonate at a height of 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) over the land surface (4.2 kilometres (2.6 mi) over sea level) by barometric sensors. The original U.S. estimate of the yield was 57 Mt, but since 1991 all Russian sources have stated its yield as 50 Mt. Khrushchev warned in a filmed speech to the Communist parliament of the existence of a 100 Mt bomb (technically the design was capable of this yield). The fireball touched the ground, reached nearly as high as the altitude of the release plane, and was seen and felt almost 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) from ground zero. The heat from the explosion could have caused third degree burns 100 km (62 miles) away from ground zero. The subsequent mushroom cloud was about 64 kilometres (40 mi) high (nearly seven times higher than Mount Everest) and 40 kilometres (25 mi) wide. The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland, breaking windows there and in Sweden. Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage up to 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) away. The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth.[6] Its seismic body wave magnitude was about 5 to 5.25.[7] The energy yield was around 7.1 on the Richter scale[citation needed], but since the bomb was detonated in air rather than underground, most of the energy was not converted to seismic waves. Since 50 Mt is 2.1×1017 joules, the average power produced during the entire fission-fusion process, lasting around 39 nanoseconds, was about 5.4×1024 watts or 5.4 yottawatts (5.4 septillion watts). This is equivalent to approximately 1.4% of the power output of the Sun.[8] The Tsar Bomba is the single most physically powerful device ever utilized by man. Its size and weight excluded a successful delivery in case of a real war. ----------------------------------------- full link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba#The_test----------------------------------------- thanks.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 16, 2010 2:10:08 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it. Compared to what mother nature can and has delivered on occasion that bomb wasn't even a firecracker. Play with this www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/ and you'll see what I mean.
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Post by sentient on Jan 16, 2010 2:22:56 GMT
The potential for releasing locked up seismic energy (say in a fault zone) from such a blast is on a par with a large earthquake almost anywhere on earth. Of course, this is more or less commensurate with the yield and placement (underground tests have more potential as they are directly connected with the bedrock etc.).
Perhaps more interesting is how we use the beginning of the nuclear age, and the large amounts of tritium released into the atmosphere that later fell as precipitation, to date groundwater movement where we can identify its presence. We can see with fairly good precision this isotopic signature when we find it in aquifers.
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Post by hunter on Jan 16, 2010 3:05:00 GMT
I doubt that, excepting for some toxins of the chemical or radioactive nature, it did anything irt magnetic fields or seismic or climate of Earth. An average hurricane releases much more energy per day than this most impressive weapon. An Earthquake of 7 or > at depth, releases much more. A large volcanic explosion will release much more. But the Tsar device you mention is most impressive. Thanks be to God it was never used again.
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Post by bxs on Jan 16, 2010 3:33:00 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it. Compared to what mother nature can and has delivered on occasion that bomb wasn't even a firecracker. Play with this www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/ and you'll see what I mean. Ok, so this is what it took, to completely annihilate the planet: ----------- Your Inputs: Distance from Impact: 10000.00 km = 6210.00 miles Projectile Diameter: 6836009.00 m = 22422109.52 ft = 4245.16 miles Projectile Density: 8000 kg/m3 Impact Velocity: 17.00 km/s = 10.56 miles/s Impact Angle: 90 degrees Target Density: 2500 kg/m3 Target Type: Sedimentary Rock Energy: Energy before atmospheric entry: 1.93 x 1032 Joules = 4.62 x 1016 MegaTons TNT The average interval between impacts of this size is longer than the Earth's age. Such impacts could only occur during the accumulation of the Earth, between 4.5 and 4 billion years ago. Major Global Changes: The Earth is completely disrupted by the impact and its debris forms a new asteroid belt orbiting the sun between Venus and Mars. -------------- Tilt and Axis were never affected, is the software incomplete in that particular area? Or nothing can knock us off the path, unless the planet is completely broken?( even if its not finished yet, thank you for the link) -------------------------- large amounts of tritium released into the atmosphere that later fell as precipitation, to date groundwater movement where we can identify its presence. 12.33 years for it to be somewhat safe. I guess we should be ok for now. -------------------------- But the Tsar device you mention is most impressive. Thanks be to God it was never used again. Yeh, amen to that.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 16, 2010 4:52:04 GMT
BXS, this little piece of software is complete as far as I know, but is not intended to be a full blown research tool. Merely a simple program to get a general idea of impact effects. What is incomplete is our knowledge of events of the magnitude you inputted. Even so, it lends perspective, and having used it on a couple of recent well publicized meteor events, it is reasonably accurate. By that I mean it matches reasonably well with the published data for known events, which normally have a quite large margin of error. The trouble of course, is that one of the important unknown factors is the composition of the meteor(unless we can locate fragments) and other related info such as exact angle of entry, speed, etc..
But it's fun to play with ;D
PS: If you haven't already, I'd recommend reading the paper (pdf) that's linked at the bottom of the site.
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Post by sentient on Jan 16, 2010 5:04:35 GMT
bxs,
By the time it is spread out in the atmosphere from the surface and airburst tests, the dispersed concentrations were quite low. But the resultant deuterium/tritium ratio has proven very useful in charting groundwater flow, age of recent global ice etc. Except for the geometric decay of concentration away from the blast center to safe concentrations (inclusive of prevailing winds etc.) the atmosphere mixed it quite well before it settled out as precipitation of one sort or another.
It's a very useful tracer in many circumstances.
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Post by bxs on Jan 16, 2010 13:38:13 GMT
I saw the whole investigative show about this on PBS, i am speaking from memory i think its ether nano diamon or micro diamond. they collected them in places
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 16, 2010 15:46:23 GMT
Here's a link to the Earth Impacts Database maintained by PASSC - www.unb.ca/passc/ImpactDatabase/ . Age is given in millions of years. It includes maps of impact sites if you have the urge to go visit any. Once you know what to look for, many of these can be seen in Google Earth. Interesting to see how they currently look with towns, etc. in them.
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Post by donmartin on Jan 16, 2010 20:54:50 GMT
About 30 miles NE of Crater Lake in Oregon; is that a crater or a volcano cordillera?
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 16, 2010 21:27:38 GMT
About 30 miles NE of Crater Lake in Oregon; is that a crater or a volcano cordillera? I see the one you are talking about in Google Earth. About 20 miles across in the upper right of the pic below. It does look like a impact crater, rather than a caldera, but I couldn't find any reference to it one way or the other. Would be worth investigating I think. You might be on to something. Would be great to have your name on it, wouldn't it? It also looks like a couple smaller one's ( <1mile dia ) just to the n.e. of this one. Possibly from the same rock that may have broken up some before impact.
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Post by bxs on Jan 18, 2010 0:21:56 GMT
But the resultant deuterium/tritium ratio has proven very useful in charting groundwater flow, age of recent global ice etc. It's a very useful tracer in many circumstances. Speaking of tracers, I found this to be extremely interesting -------------------- Sever has explored the capacity of remote sensing technology and the science of collecting information about the Earth's surface using aerial or space-based photography to serve archeology. He and Irwin provided Saturno with high-resolution commercial satellite images of the rainforest, and collected data from NASA's Airborne Synthetic Aperture Radar, an instrument flown aboard a high-altitude weather plane, capable of penetrating clouds, snow and forest canopies. They discovered a correlation between the color and reflectivity of the vegetation seen in the images " their "signature," which is captured by instruments measuring light in the visible and near-infrared spectrums " and the location of known archaeological sites. In 2004, the team ground-tested the data. Hiking deep into the jungle to locations guided by the satellite images, they uncovered a series of Maya settlements exactly where the technology had predicted they would be found. The cause of the floral discoloration discerned in the imagery quickly became clear to the team. The Maya built their cities and towns with excavated limestone and lime plasters. As these structures crumbled, the lack of moisture and nutritional elements inside the ruins kept some plant species at bay, while others were discolored or killed off altogether as disintegrating plaster changed the chemical content of the soil around each structure. "This pattern of small details, impossible to see from the forest floor or low-altitude planes, turned out to be a virtual roadmap to ancient Maya sites when seen from space." ---------------------- www.newswise.com/articles/view/518073/?sc=rssnCould that be used to plot possible impact sites of asteroids with a particular elemental make up? I mean, with the ground and vegetation discolorations, under the assumption that the vegetation would redeposit certain particulars back to the ground when it dies. And on somewhat unrelated matter(don't bash me for this). I'll be honest, i am wondering about roughly 3 years time from now(2012). All these weird coincidences and discoveries coming to light as of late. Sun being silent, galactic gas cloud, galactic magnetic field. science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/15jan_ibex2.htm-web reference- "Based on a distance of 30,000 light years and a speed of 220 km/s, the Sun's orbit around the center of the Milky Way once every 225 million years. The period of time is called a cosmic year. The Sun has orbited the galaxy, more than 20 times during its 5 billion year lifetime.". So the solar system has been through this before. And nothing in the ice cores? or moon samples? or impact sites? I mean if something major happened in last 20 passes, some type of inconsistency should pop up in 250, 500, etc million year samples?
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 18, 2010 0:47:08 GMT
When one looks at DO events, one wonders why did they happen. There has been no diffinitive proof that I have read as of yet. If someone else has read something, please share.
I think the glaciation of earth results from the orbit through the galaxy. The explainations that we have had as of yet of all things known, and not fitting, point to the unknown.
Is the reason that they are unknown because, we as humans, with our current tech have not experienced them before?
When one looks at oral histories, which I personally deem important, it is easy to see mysterious things with no causation except for God's way etc.
I think we have much to learn as of yet.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 18, 2010 1:05:32 GMT
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio Than are dreamt of in our philosophy.”
Shakespeare’s Hamlet.
I think that human omniscience remains a long way off.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 18, 2010 2:31:59 GMT
BXS, regarding your question concerning vegetation as a clue to the location/existence of an impact crater, I believe that has been used from orbit, as well as other orbital sensing, such as gravitic anomolies, radar, etc. However, verification of a crater as an impact rather than as something else, also requires microscopic examination (shocked quartz, etc. ). There's some interesting info on this Google blog that may help - bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1240561
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