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Post by trbixler on Oct 22, 2013 0:12:34 GMT
You mean low freq sound can really affect your health, who would have guessed! "Home> Health 'Wind Turbine Syndrome' Blamed for Mysterious Symptoms in Cape Cod Town" " Sue Hobart, a bridal florist from Massachusetts, couldn't understand why she suddenly developed headaches, ringing in her ears, insomnia and dizziness to the point of falling "flat on my face" in the driveway. "I thought I was just getting older and tired," said the 57-year-old from Falmouth. Months earlier, in the summer of 2010, three wind turbines had been erected in her town, one of which runs around the clock, 1,600 feet from her home. "I didn't put anything to the turbines -- we heard it and didn't like the thump, thump, thump and didn't like seeing them, but we didn't put it together," she told ABCNews.com. Hobart said her headaches only got worse, but at Christmas, when she went to San Diego, they disappeared. And she said the same thing happened on an overnight trip to Keene, N.H. "Sometimes at night, especially in the winter, I wake up with a fluttering in the chest and think, 'What the hell is that,' and the only place it happens is at my house," she said. "That's how you know. When you go away, it doesn't happen." " link
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 22, 2013 1:02:46 GMT
There is a real case for a HUGE class action suit against these subsidy farms. I am really surprised that some eager lawyer has not taken up the case yet.
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Post by trbixler on Nov 15, 2013 16:37:07 GMT
Kill them! Mass extinction by the green environmentalists! Of course skyrocket wants this for us as well. "Study shows wind turbines killed 600,000 bats last year" link
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Post by trbixler on Nov 26, 2013 2:41:28 GMT
Now here is a first. Of course those fines are just passed on to consumers. So the Obama EPA says kill coal, then subsidizes bird killing machines, then they kill the birds and the tax payer pays. "Guilty plea in bird deaths at wind farms a first" "WASHINGTON (AP) - A major U.S. power company has pleaded guilty to killing eagles and other birds at two Wyoming wind farms and agreed to pay $1 million as part of the first enforcement of environmental laws protecting birds against wind energy facilities. Until the settlement announced Friday with Duke Energy Corp. and its renewable energy arm, not a single wind energy company had been prosecuted for a death of an eagle or other protected bird - even though each death is a violation of federal law, unless a company has a federal permit. Not a single wind energy facility has obtained a permit. The Charlotte, N.C.-based company pleaded guilty to killing 14 eagles and 149 other birds at its Top of the World and Campbell Hill wind farms outside Casper, Wyo. All the deaths, which included golden eagles, hawks, blackbirds, wrens and sparrows, occurred from 2009 to 2013. "Wind energy is not green if it is killing hundreds of thousands of birds," said George Fenwick, president of the American Bird Conservancy, which supports properly sited wind farms. "The unfortunate reality is that the flagrant violations of the law seen in this case are widespread." There could be more enforcement. The Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating 18 bird-death cases involving wind-power facilities, and about a half-dozen have been referred to the Justice Department." link
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 26, 2013 12:53:24 GMT
Someone else about subsidy farm markers' lifetimes... Behind the windfarm scenes"The icing issue in Northern Europe is huge...there was a [wind] park in Northern Sweden...and it iced up for 21 days....you are talking about a complete shutdown...do the maths...everything else becomes insignificant...there will be huge PR problems...you are looking at if we will invest in wind farms or wind energy ever again."and in Wind-worn"The results show that after allowing for variations in wind speed and site characteristics the average load factor of wind farms declines substantially as they get older, probably due to wear and tear. By 10 years of age the contribution of an average UK wind farm to meeting electricity demand has declined by a third.
This decline in performance means that it is rarely economic to operate wind farms for more than 12 to 15 years. After this period they must be replaced with new machines, a finding that has profound consequences for investors and government alike."
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 27, 2013 14:14:33 GMT
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Post by trbixler on Dec 6, 2013 19:00:12 GMT
"Obama to Give Wind Farms 30-Year Pass on Eagle Deaths" "The Obama administration is about to approve a rule that will ensure the death of golden and bald eagles for the next 30 more years. Hundreds of thousands of birds die each year flying into the deadly turbine blades atop the soaring towers that compose wind farms. The rule will give wind farms thirty year permits for the “non purposeful take of eagles-that is where the take is associated with but not the purpose of, the activity.’’ The take of eagles is also a euphemism for the slaughter of them. The wind farms fulfill Obama’s ambitious pursuit of developing renewable energy sources. Unfortunately, some bird species being destroyed by the turbines are not renewable. As a result, Obama finds himself wedged between the ire of opposing green groups. In July, wildlife groups met with administration officials and lobbied against the granting of 30 year permits for energy companies that own the wind farms. " link
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 7, 2013 4:10:14 GMT
Bad enough eagles etc. My concern is the bats. They are critical to the environment, yet wind farms kill 100's of thousands and nothing is done.
Rediculous!!!!!
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 7, 2013 14:47:58 GMT
Bad enough eagles etc. My concern is the bats. They are critical to the environment, yet wind farms kill 100's of thousands and nothing is done. Rediculous!!!!! What it shows is that the claims of the 'Greens' to be concerned about the environment are completely false. They use the environment when it suits their cause. So they want to shut down Californian farmers so claim potential (not proven) harm to 'delta smelt'. They want to close oil refineries, find a few oiled sea birds. But when it comes to killing huge numbers of endangered species they are not interested - only the few real greens start to complain, the political greens are just using the environment as a useful 'cause' and could not care less about nature.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 7, 2013 14:55:03 GMT
The only thing that would make those left coasters happy would be solar or hydrothermal energy. The fact that natural gas is plentiful and at least five times cleaner than coal does not even resinate with those nutjobs because fracking is in their crosshairs now.
They are trying to shutdown the only industry that has the potential to provide clean energy for the next hundred years or so.
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Post by icefisher on Dec 7, 2013 17:09:06 GMT
Eagle populations and bat populations are healthy. Bald Eagle was endangered a few decades ago but has recovered very well with protections and environmental programs and came off the threatened list in 2007.
Eagle populations are closely monitored. Some bat populations may not be. What we are talking about here is essentially roadkill and IMHO that should be based whether such impacts threaten the survival of a specie or its ecosystem role and it needs to be based on science. The difficult trick is how to do adequate monitoring and science without creating a hardship on the economy. We are just beginning to learn those lessons.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 7, 2013 23:03:58 GMT
Eagle populations and bat populations are healthy. Bald Eagle was endangered a few decades ago but has recovered very well with protections and environmental programs and came off the threatened list in 2007. Eagle populations are closely monitored. Some bat populations may not be. What we are talking about here is essentially roadkill and IMHO that should be based whether such impacts threaten the survival of a specie or its ecosystem role and it needs to be based on science. The difficult trick is how to do adequate monitoring and science without creating a hardship on the economy. We are just beginning to learn those lessons. There are two bat populations/species that are now endangered because of all the deaths. I don't remember the names of the species, but the 400-600 THOUSAND deaths per year from wind farms are upsetting the population balance. And they don't have to actually hit the blade. Just the vacuum of the blade is enough to essentially make their blood vessels explode. Their radar doesn't detect the sudden sweep of the blade. And these bats are essential to the ag industry......which makes them even MORE important.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 8, 2013 5:21:18 GMT
Eagle populations and bat populations are healthy. Bald Eagle was endangered a few decades ago but has recovered very well with protections and environmental programs and came off the threatened list in 2007. Eagle populations are closely monitored. Some bat populations may not be. What we are talking about here is essentially roadkill and IMHO that should be based whether such impacts threaten the survival of a specie or its ecosystem role and it needs to be based on science. The difficult trick is how to do adequate monitoring and science without creating a hardship on the economy. We are just beginning to learn those lessons. There are two bat populations/species that are now endangered because of all the deaths. I don't remember the names of the species, but the 400-600 THOUSAND deaths per year from wind farms are upsetting the population balance. And they don't have to actually hit the blade. Just the vacuum of the blade is enough to essentially make their blood vessels explode. Their radar doesn't detect the sudden sweep of the blade. And these bats are essential to the ag industry......which makes them even MORE important. sigurdur, We can't afford to lose both bees and bats.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 8, 2013 6:00:40 GMT
Glenn: It looks like the link to hive disaster is a fungicide called Bravo. I expect more research on this, and if the research now done is confirmed, Bravo will be a fungicide of the past. This is one example of why the EPA is necessary. I use Bravo (cloranthanl), but would happily give it up if it is proven to be the culprit.
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Post by icefisher on Dec 9, 2013 19:11:02 GMT
There are two bat populations/species that are now endangered because of all the deaths. I don't remember the names of the species, but the 400-600 THOUSAND deaths per year from wind farms are upsetting the population balance. And they don't have to actually hit the blade. Just the vacuum of the blade is enough to essentially make their blood vessels explode. Their radar doesn't detect the sudden sweep of the blade. And these bats are essential to the ag industry......which makes them even MORE important. sigurdur, We can't afford to lose both bees and bats. The estimate of 600 thousand appears to be for all bat death associated with wind turbines in the US. Apparently how many bats there is a lot more elusive than the number killed by wind turbines. But it appears to work out to a handful or two bats per wind turbine, I can't find any bat population figures to match any death by bat or death by species figure to total bats. Best I could do was 20 million bats in one cave in Texas. A Univ of Colorado study estimated that the 600k bats killed is having a serious impact on bat populations. However, they completely neglected to provide any information on how that estimate of impact was arrived at. Experience suggests that there is no scientific basis for the dire estimate. When they have have some relevant figures to toss around is about as good of grant bait as you can get so they seem to never forget to march it out at every opportunity.
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