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Post by Ratty on Apr 18, 2017 11:44:26 GMT
I believe that Hazelwood will be demolished soon. In mid-winter and mid-summer, I expect regular brown outs and blackouts. You cannot shut down 25% of a state's power without consequences. South Australia has a real problem. 500 MW of power on the interconnector will not be available. The current mindset will have other states following. I've advised my children to buy petrol-powered generators for backup (now that diesel is unacceptable too), have the house re-wired for generator input, create vegetable gardens, etc. Hope they take notice ..... Maybe your move to Queensland - where the climate is always perfect - should be a priority? I could put you up temporarily (for a small fee) while you find permanent digs.
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Post by douglavers on Apr 18, 2017 12:10:37 GMT
Ratty
a) I own a generator b) I have solar water heating c) I have lots of solar panels for electricity d) I have a large vegetable garden run by slave labour e) Lots of fruit trees
f - must be something I've forgotten.
BTW Not sure I would swap my weather for yours - too little rain is better than far too much!!
Talking about real weather for a change, I noticed that the forecast for Central Europe over the next week or so is for really cold weather for late April. Jack Frost rampant.
Going to be an awful fruit harvest this year, methinks.
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Post by Ratty on Apr 18, 2017 12:42:02 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 18, 2017 13:31:08 GMT
And to top it all off, Minnkota has taken its wind generation site DOWN! So that folks can't SEE how lousy it is at generating electricty! Sig, can you provide a link to something instructive on the ND power issue that I can post elsewhere? Nope, because the links to wind are now 404.
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 18, 2017 13:36:02 GMT
Ratty a) I own a generator b) I have solar water heating c) I have lots of solar panels for electricity d) I have a large vegetable garden run by slave labour e) Lots of fruit trees f - must be something I've forgotten. BTW Not sure I would swap my weather for yours - too little rain is better than far too much!! Talking about real weather for a change, I noticed that the forecast for Central Europe over the next week or so is for really cold weather for late April. Jack Frost rampant. Going to be an awful fruit harvest this year, methinks. You are lucky! And prepared. Lucky u receive enough solar to effectively use it. The only way I can use solar is to keep a trickle charger on a battery.
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 18, 2017 14:50:49 GMT
[[[Mineral Resources of North Dakota: COAL. Western North Dakota contains an estimated 351 billion tons of lignite, the single largest deposit of lignite known in the world.]]] Actually, not correct. The Latrobe Valley in Victoria has the largest known deposit. At Morwell, the seam is about 250 meters thick, and about 10 kms across.
At Bairnsdale, about 150 kms further East, the seam is about 60 meters thick.
It is believed to be continuous all the way. The amount has never been estimated, but should be North of a trillion tons.
So much for Web facts! Settled knowledge is sooo elusive. So S Australia and N Dakota could burn and scrub away for how many centuries?
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 18, 2017 16:08:43 GMT
[[[Mineral Resources of North Dakota: COAL. Western North Dakota contains an estimated 351 billion tons of lignite, the single largest deposit of lignite known in the world.]]] Actually, not correct. The Latrobe Valley in Victoria has the largest known deposit. At Morwell, the seam is about 250 meters thick, and about 10 kms across.
At Bairnsdale, about 150 kms further East, the seam is about 60 meters thick.
It is believed to be continuous all the way. The amount has never been estimated, but should be North of a trillion tons.
So much for Web facts! Settled knowledge is sooo elusive. So S Australia and N Dakota could burn and scrub away for how many centuries? North Dakota....approx 950 years at current rates of consumption. But we can't have that, as dependable energy is not important. Expensive energy is? I used to think that Wind Energy was ok as a small contribution. Anymore, I don't think it is ok because the powers that be want it to be a LARGE contribution.....and the dog gone wind just doesn't blow all the time. So, we encouraged foreign investment into wind, and guaranteed them a market. Even in NORTH DAKOTA, at present, when wind blows we HAVE to buy the wind energy 1st. Idle our already paid for FF generators. The effect is, NO one wants to put up another FF generator. So, now, we are stuck with this mess which will only potentially get worse before it gets better!
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 18, 2017 20:12:18 GMT
So much for Web facts! Settled knowledge is sooo elusive. So S Australia and N Dakota could burn and scrub away for how many centuries? North Dakota....approx 950 years at current rates of consumption. But we can't have that, as dependable energy is not important. Expensive energy is? I used to think that Wind Energy was ok as a small contribution. Anymore, I don't think it is ok because the powers that be want it to be a LARGE contribution.....and the dog gone wind just doesn't blow all the time. So, we encouraged foreign investment into wind, and guaranteed them a market. Even in NORTH DAKOTA, at present, when wind blows we HAVE to buy the wind energy 1st. Idle our already paid for FF generators. The effect is, NO one wants to put up another FF generator. So, now, we are stuck with this mess which will only potentially get worse before it gets better! And if it gets a teeny weeny bit cooler in the interim? Let the 'lag' wag that!
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Post by douglavers on Apr 19, 2017 6:12:05 GMT
Once upon a time, more than 100 years ago, there was a meteorologist who had an IDEA.
He thought it was such a good idea, that he actually went and did some real research. He collected lots of disparate information from all sorts of different places, and wrote some scientific papers.
However, the geography experts at the time and subsequently nearly all thought his ideas were completely ridiculous. They continue to train generation after generation of young students in their view of the world, and they wrote lots of impressive looking textbooks.
Any student who dared to question or disagree would probably have obtained a fail.
Many years later, some new technology appeared, which pretty well proved our meteorologist was right, but this had taken approximately 50 years. Sadly he was already safely dead.
All the textbooks had to be completely rewritten. Unfortunately, most of the critics had already retired, presumably on comfortable pensions.
Very late in the 20th century, it became possible to measure the really good IDEA directly.
Anyone care to guess our meteorologist’s name?
Anyone care to guess how long it will take to displace CAGW as a theory?!
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Post by acidohm on Apr 19, 2017 9:26:14 GMT
Ian McCaskill??
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Post by Ratty on Apr 19, 2017 11:02:15 GMT
Clement Wragge?
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Post by missouriboy on Apr 19, 2017 17:48:30 GMT
Once upon a time, more than 100 years ago, there was a meteorologist who had an IDEA. He thought it was such a good idea, that he actually went and did some real research. He collected lots of disparate information from all sorts of different places, and wrote some scientific papers. However, the geography experts at the time and subsequently nearly all thought his ideas were completely ridiculous. They continue to train generation after generation of young students in their view of the world, and they wrote lots of impressive looking textbooks. Any student who dared to question or disagree would probably have obtained a fail. Many years later, some new technology appeared, which pretty well proved our meteorologist was right, but this had taken approximately 50 years. Sadly he was already safely dead. All the textbooks had to be completely rewritten. Unfortunately, most of the critics had already retired, presumably on comfortable pensions. Very late in the 20th century, it became possible to measure the really good IDEA directly. Anyone care to guess our meteorologist’s name? Anyone care to guess how long it will take to displace CAGW as a theory?! It may not take nearly that long this time around. In a world of in-your-face, nearly instantaneous communication (both good and bad, fake and fact), where anyone can place their views for the world to see, changes of paradigm may happen much faster. There's an old saying that 'nothing succeeds like success'. Well, we may have to add, 'nothing fails like failure'. If current trends continue, the true believers will have a harder and harder time believing ... and the mainstream marginal believers will start asking some very hard questions, which the dogma spouters will be unable to answer. Then will come the 'pitchforks and torches'.
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 21, 2017 22:06:09 GMT
While talking of closing fossil fuel generation... what Joe Bastardi believes is the best 5 minute defense of fossil fuel that he has ever seen....
Check for yourselves.....
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Post by Ratty on Apr 22, 2017 0:16:25 GMT
Excellent (!) presentation by Epstein; he's always lucid and persuasive. Senator Boxer's treatment was disgraceful.
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 22, 2017 0:32:20 GMT
While talking of closing fossil fuel generation... what Joe Bastardi believes is the best 5 minute defense of fossil fuel that he has ever seen.... Check for yourselves..... Yep, North Dakota DOES have pristine air, along with 1+million barrels per day of oil production, and large elec generation. The sad thing is now, there are fewer birds because the nut jobs think wiping them out is ok as long as the turbine turns.
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