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Post by goldbuster1 on May 14, 2010 14:07:54 GMT
Back in the days, Americans were introduce with big engine cars, they burned gasoline and a lot of it.
Petroleum distillation produce thousands of derivatives and patent protected substances.
But in order to get all of those goodies we need to get rid of the end products garbage = tar and gasoline
So back in the 60`s big highway projects and big engines were there to insure USA the leading position to market those petroleum derivatives.
Now every nation have the technology and US dominance is gone.
Imagine if tomorrow we launch Hydrogen cars? Or a magnetic engine car?
What are we gonna do with all those gallons of Gasoline?
One solution is passing a environment law that ban the research into new form of energy, like the one pass in Quebec in 2009.
Two is to slowly introduce a grid dependent car that will be "plugged" into the electric grid. Burn less on the road, burn more in the coal-petroleum electric plants.
Three is to allow third world countries to develop a little more using cheap China-made engines and corporate gasoline.
Fourth, in order for the 3rd world to develop, the industrial nation needs to slow down, in order to friendly rape the G8 citizens we gonna force on them a consumer CO2 tax so they will "feel better about it", but first we need to make them believe in this CO2 non-sense
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Post by graywolf on May 14, 2010 20:50:24 GMT
Do we really think the Carbon energy industries will just go 'Flop' when their reserves run dry?
They are business. They already have 'the answers' but they still have reserves to 'bleed' dry with the invested infrastructure of extraction to cost minimise........and plenty of wonga, still, to spread a smokescreen of doubt and mistrust of the potential damage of their present income genrator.
When the time is right they will hop in with a 'new' cure all to the energy crisis (but not the environmental........yet......).
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Post by hairball on May 14, 2010 21:26:40 GMT
Graywolf, BP sponsored CRU just as ExxonMobil sponsors Stanford's AGW cheerleading. What slice of the $120billion annual carbon trading market do they have? Capturing Carbon by pumping CO2 into near-exhausted oil wells - thereby making them productive again - is a fantastic idea.
Energy production is the biggest industry in the world (not counting prohibited drugs), if they wanted to put an end to Global Warming hysteria they could do it tomorrow. You were scammed. They took advantage of your love of nature. I'm sorry.
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Post by curiousgeorge on May 14, 2010 21:35:02 GMT
Back in the days, Americans were introduce with big engine cars, they burned gasoline and a lot of it. Yep. And I really miss that '69 Hemi Dodge babe magnet I had back then. Won a whole lot of street and drag strip races with it. ;D |
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Post by slh1234 on May 14, 2010 22:50:14 GMT
Do we really think the Carbon energy industries will just go 'Flop' when their reserves run dry? They are business. They already have 'the answers' but they still have reserves to 'bleed' dry with the invested infrastructure of extraction to cost minimise........and plenty of wonga, still, to spread a smokescreen of doubt and mistrust of the potential damage of their present income genrator. When the time is right they will hop in with a 'new' cure all to the energy crisis (but not the environmental........yet......). Here we go with politics again, and one of my favoite little political maneuvers: Use what you know, make up what you don't know in order to protect your political position at all costs. |
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Post by greenlandexile on May 14, 2010 23:32:41 GMT
Do we really think the Carbon energy industries will just go 'Flop' when their reserves run dry? They are business. They already have 'the answers' but they still have reserves to 'bleed' dry with the invested infrastructure of extraction to cost minimise........and plenty of wonga, still, to spread a smokescreen of doubt and mistrust of the potential damage of their present income genrator. When the time is right they will hop in with a 'new' cure all to the energy crisis (but not the environmental........yet......). Greywolf, I'm not trying to be rude but your comments show a complete ignorance of resource economics. Hydrocarbons will not simply run out, instead it will gradually become more expensive to extract. Eventually alternative sources of energy will become more attractive and Hydrocarbons will be phased out. Without any action this market will correct itself. It is estimated that 1/2 of the total hydrocarbon resource has already been used and the result has been 100 ppm (0.01%) increase in CO2. |
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Post by goldbuster1 on May 15, 2010 12:45:07 GMT
greenlandexile...
More expensive to extract, not without CO2 capture Scam.
The CO2 scam is only to provide the Big Oil with free CO2 to use to gain %40 more out of the depleted fields.
Hydrocarbons are produce if you need plastics, fertilizers, petrochemicals and your Nylon stockings.
You never gonna phase out Hydrocarbons, you simply gonna have to burn it!
CO2 is not a Climatic driver, 0.01% increase doesn't prove its man-made and doesn't prove Global Warming. SO2 and NO2 from Petroleum combustion is the enemy here, it does react with oxygen and creates heat and Acid. Taking the Sulfur out of the fuel is the #1 priority. Sulfur is creating SOX and smog beside sulfur the chemical formula of the combustion of hydrocarbons is pretty clean, and yes CO2 is a clean life giver gas.
100ppm (0.01%) is in your dreams, the only fudge data show 40 ppm in 20 years increase. so its 0.002% wow! Put a plant or 2 in your basement apartment it should do the trick
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Post by sentient on May 16, 2010 13:12:39 GMT
Back in the days, Americans were introduce with big engine cars, they burned gasoline and a lot of it. Yep. And I really miss that '69 Hemi Dodge babe magnet I had back then. Won a whole lot of street and drag strip races with it. ;D Back in the day? How about out in the garage? My '07 SRT8 Charger (425hp HEMI) burns lots of gas and is a right fine chick magnet! Heading over for "Cars and Coffee" at the Irvine Spectrum in about half an hour. |
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Post by scpg02 on May 16, 2010 14:32:51 GMT
Yep. And I really miss that '69 Hemi Dodge babe magnet I had back then. Won a whole lot of street and drag strip races with it. ;D Back in the day? How about out in the garage? My '07 SRT8 Charger (425hp HEMI) burns lots of gas and is a right fine chick magnet! Heading over for "Cars and Coffee" at the Irvine Spectrum in about half an hour. LOL nice car. |
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Post by sentient on May 16, 2010 17:12:42 GMT
Yes, it is sweet. Here is the carbon dinosaur in its most comfortable setting, in Dinosaur National Park.
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Post by sentient on May 16, 2010 17:13:44 GMT
Yes, it is sweet. Here is the carbon dinosaur in its most comfortable setting, in Dinosaur National Park. Didn't work the first time..... Attachments:
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Post by scpg02 on May 17, 2010 0:27:50 GMT
The real carbon dinosaur. '73 Lincoln Continental Mark IV  |
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