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Post by scpg02 on Jun 3, 2010 15:03:07 GMT
None dare call it conspiracy by Gary Allen Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin You can find Griffin on youtubes. There are some good movies out as well. Thanks, but I was fishing for some recommendations that are more of a academic/technical nature in the fields of psychology and cultural anthropology, rather than popular contemporary issues/advocacy. I figured that but wanted to throw them out there anyway. Someone else may be interested in reading them.
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Post by scpg02 on Jun 3, 2010 15:07:55 GMT
Never attribute to conspiracy that which is more easily explained by sloth, stupidity and individual greed. True but the conspiracy does exist. rt.com/Top_News/2010-06-01/bilderberg-investigation-european-parliament.html/print Secret society investigation revealed to European Parliament01 June, 2010, 21:25 The results of longstanding research on a secret society were presented at the European Parliament on Tuesday by Daniel Estulin, author of the bestseller "The True Story of the Bilderberg Group." Secretive and elite, the Bilderberg group, which unites some of the world's most powerful people, has been meeting behind closed doors for decades. Its activities have become shrouded in a mist of conspiracy theories, with some claiming its members are trying to create a new world order. Investigative journalist Daniel Estulin has just revealed to the European Parliament all he claims to have discovered about the 'Bilderbergers'. “Over almost 20 years of research I’ve found out that what today is called the Bilderberg group already existed over eight hundred years ago,” Estulin told RT. “Back then they were called the Venetian Black Nobility. Bilderberg is the creation of the Sinarchy movement, who are very potentially founders and financiers of Hitler. As Sinarchy International they, in turn, were founded by the Freemason esoteric secret society back in the 1770s, as a kind of a counter attack on the principles upon which the United States of America was built.”
“A lot of people speak of Bilderberg as a domain of conspiracy theories, and of course it’s not, it’s a historical fact,” Estulin stated. “A lot of people believe that Bilderberg is a one-world government or creating the new world order, especially people point out a speech made by George W. Bush made back in the 1990s about the creation of one world government. It’s actually not about that at all. It’s a meeting of people who represent a particular ideology. That ideology is of money.”
“So the idea is not to create one world government, rather the creation of one world company, limited to where financial concerns are far more powerful than any government on Earth,” the journalist added.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jun 3, 2010 19:51:17 GMT
Thanks for the reading list folks . Should give me something to do this winter.
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Post by nemesis on Jun 3, 2010 22:27:15 GMT
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Post by twawki on Jun 3, 2010 22:46:44 GMT
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Post by twawki on Jun 3, 2010 22:49:33 GMT
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Post by slh1234 on Jun 3, 2010 23:48:31 GMT
From the first article: The author's analysis is, in a word, bullshit. It's laughable that he pulls the word "vaccines" out of that statement, and misses that reproductive health services appears in even closer proximity to the statement about lowering the world's population. Then, there's this: Dumping ... really? What are the death rates from those vaccines? what are the death rates from diseases in those areas among the unvaccinated? Microsoft is full of people from those third world countries who have an opportunity because of work there, and because of that are very loyal to Microsoft. Come to a Microsoft convention sometime when Bill Gates is speaking and be sure to stay until the floor is opened for questions. Microsoft employees are not exactly passive or quiet. Invariably, one of the employees from an area where the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is active will get up and speak, and it ALWAYS starts out with heartfelt thanks for the work done "among my people." I don't know who truth11 is, and I don't think I need to now. With that, I'm pretty confident in dismissing their truth as pure bullshit. WHen I have time, maybe I can visit the other links you've listed.
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Post by slh1234 on Jun 4, 2010 0:49:44 GMT
I'll add one more thing about the population and vaccines.
I have several colleagues from various parts of Africa. I've heard from more than one of them that in Africa, they thought they needed to have as many children as they can because they were never sure how many of their kids would survive to adulthood. One has told me about losing 2 sisters and one brother to disease, and another brother to violence. So if I listen to stories like that, then even minimal health care like vaccines may, in fact, help control population just by taking away some fear that your lineage may be cut off. Any way you look at that quote, no dark purposes are necessary (but knowing a few people personally, and listening to them might help).
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Post by slh1234 on Jun 4, 2010 1:05:31 GMT
Never attribute to conspiracy that which is more easily explained by sloth, stupidity and individual greed. True but the conspiracy does exist. rt.com/Top_News/2010-06-01/bilderberg-investigation-european-parliament.html/print Secret society investigation revealed to European Parliament01 June, 2010, 21:25 The results of longstanding research on a secret society were presented at the European Parliament on Tuesday by Daniel Estulin, author of the bestseller "The True Story of the Bilderberg Group." Secretive and elite, the Bilderberg group, which unites some of the world's most powerful people, has been meeting behind closed doors for decades. Its activities have become shrouded in a mist of conspiracy theories, with some claiming its members are trying to create a new world order. Investigative journalist Daniel Estulin has just revealed to the European Parliament all he claims to have discovered about the 'Bilderbergers'. “Over almost 20 years of research I’ve found out that what today is called the Bilderberg group already existed over eight hundred years ago,” Estulin told RT. “Back then they were called the Venetian Black Nobility. Bilderberg is the creation of the Sinarchy movement, who are very potentially founders and financiers of Hitler. As Sinarchy International they, in turn, were founded by the Freemason esoteric secret society back in the 1770s, as a kind of a counter attack on the principles upon which the United States of America was built.”
“A lot of people speak of Bilderberg as a domain of conspiracy theories, and of course it’s not, it’s a historical fact,” Estulin stated. “A lot of people believe that Bilderberg is a one-world government or creating the new world order, especially people point out a speech made by George W. Bush made back in the 1990s about the creation of one world government. It’s actually not about that at all. It’s a meeting of people who represent a particular ideology. That ideology is of money.”
“So the idea is not to create one world government, rather the creation of one world company, limited to where financial concerns are far more powerful than any government on Earth,” the journalist added. You cannot be serious. Which part of that are you believing as a real, existing conspiracy?
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Post by slh1234 on Jun 4, 2010 1:09:53 GMT
I thought Truth11 might be worth reading a little more of since they made such ridiculous claims in the first article posted. I found this also posted. I think it pretty much speaks for itself about how much I should trust of what they post: truth11.com/2010/05/10/benjamin-fulford-over-one-million-satanists-on-the-run/And just think, some people pay for tabloids when stuff like this is available on the internet for free.
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Post by hunter on Jun 4, 2010 1:36:17 GMT
slh1234, Good job. Keep up the great work. Busting conspiracies, especially the huge intricate X-File style conspiracies, is always a good thing to do.
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Post by scpg02 on Jun 4, 2010 5:22:07 GMT
True but the conspiracy does exist. rt.com/Top_News/2010-06-01/bilderberg-investigation-european-parliament.html/print Secret society investigation revealed to European Parliament01 June, 2010, 21:25 The results of longstanding research on a secret society were presented at the European Parliament on Tuesday by Daniel Estulin, author of the bestseller "The True Story of the Bilderberg Group." Secretive and elite, the Bilderberg group, which unites some of the world's most powerful people, has been meeting behind closed doors for decades. Its activities have become shrouded in a mist of conspiracy theories, with some claiming its members are trying to create a new world order. Investigative journalist Daniel Estulin has just revealed to the European Parliament all he claims to have discovered about the 'Bilderbergers'. “Over almost 20 years of research I’ve found out that what today is called the Bilderberg group already existed over eight hundred years ago,” Estulin told RT. “Back then they were called the Venetian Black Nobility. Bilderberg is the creation of the Sinarchy movement, who are very potentially founders and financiers of Hitler. As Sinarchy International they, in turn, were founded by the Freemason esoteric secret society back in the 1770s, as a kind of a counter attack on the principles upon which the United States of America was built.”
“A lot of people speak of Bilderberg as a domain of conspiracy theories, and of course it’s not, it’s a historical fact,” Estulin stated. “A lot of people believe that Bilderberg is a one-world government or creating the new world order, especially people point out a speech made by George W. Bush made back in the 1990s about the creation of one world government. It’s actually not about that at all. It’s a meeting of people who represent a particular ideology. That ideology is of money.”
“So the idea is not to create one world government, rather the creation of one world company, limited to where financial concerns are far more powerful than any government on Earth,” the journalist added. You cannot be serious. Which part of that are you believing as a real, existing conspiracy? LOL You don't know anything about the author do you? Or the amount of research that he does. You don't want to believe it, that's fine, but that won't make you right. How about you do the scientific thing and refute his facts rather than lobbing veiled criticism at me.
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Post by twawki on Jun 4, 2010 6:37:14 GMT
Yep agreed lets debate the facts not throw ad hominen attacks
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Post by twawki on Jun 4, 2010 6:37:55 GMT
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Post by slh1234 on Jun 4, 2010 7:54:16 GMT
You cannot be serious. Which part of that are you believing as a real, existing conspiracy? LOL You don't know anything about the author do you? Or the amount of research that he does. You don't want to believe it, that's fine, but that won't make you right. How about you do the scientific thing and refute his facts rather than lobbing veiled criticism at me. Because there is no fact in there to dispute. There is nothing there even to back it up. I'll put it in the same category as his accusation of a government plot to assasinate Ron Paul. You are right, I do not believe it. You call it a desire to not believe it, I'll call it keeping in touch with reality. I don't blidly follow people who try to scare me with climate alarmism, and I don't blindly follow someone who tries to scare me with conspiracy plots. My post is not a criticism of you, it's calling it what it is. He can claim all the research he wants, but it's another of those plots that Emperor Palpatine couldn't pull off.
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