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Post by excalibur on Jul 9, 2010 17:03:18 GMT
The most northern village is confirming this fact. They have now sunlight coming out of the horizon during the 6 months Night, confirming the Tilt change. Tilt is smaller that means polar ice cap will diminish but they will be more concentrated at the poles. For us in the lower degrees...We will have smaller seasons extremes..Colder summers and hotter winters. For those in the equator they will have barely no seasons. Those are facts and have nothing to do with the CO2 cultists Please abstain polluting my post with your beliefs. Source: www.grisefiord.ca/eng/land.html
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Post by scpg02 on Jul 9, 2010 17:30:21 GMT
Progression Procession is a known fact. No need to be rude.
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Post by boxman on Jul 9, 2010 19:49:53 GMT
What exactly do you mean?? The tilt has been slowly declining for over thousand of years now. Are you suggesting that this change have now speed up or something?? And yes you are right that it will make winters a bit milder and summers a bit cooler, but i highly doubt it would lower ice extent in arctic/antarctica. This change will actually lead to the return to ice age conditions since less ice will melt in summer. What matters most is incoming solar radiation during summer..
High latitude areas was infact warmer on average compared to now earlier in this interglacial when tilt was stronger. Milder winters might also lead to more precipitation which also might lead to more ice.
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Post by excalibur on Jul 9, 2010 21:41:15 GMT
The arctic circle is getting higher average solar radiation causing the edge to melt, less snow(White) area is increasing solar absorption accelerating the edge melting effects. The magnetic pole is racing towards Russia since 1995 that has a guarantied effect on progression. news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1215_051215_north_pole.htmlOver the past century the pole has moved 685 miles (1,100 kilometers) from Arctic Canada toward Siberia, says Joe Stoner, a paleomagnetist at Oregon State University. At its current rate the pole could move to Siberia within the next half-century, Stoner said. "It's moving really fast," he said. "We're seeing something that hasn't happened for at least 500 years." Stoner presented his team's research at the American Geophysical Union's meeting last week in San Francisco. Lorne McKee, a geomagnetic scientist at Natural Resources Canada, says that Stoner's data fits his own readings. "The movement of the pole definitely appears to be accelerating," he said.
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Post by boxman on Jul 9, 2010 22:27:42 GMT
Then why is the sun altitude as high in the sky as it was decades ago or even 100s of years ago?? It takes centuries before the changes are noticeable due to how slow this cycle is. The sun here in trondheim is for example 50 degrees above horizon during summer solictite and even in 1000 year from now it will be 49.9 something, which is not something that would be noticeable over a few years.
The magnetic pole has nothing to do with axial tilt.
Edit: Why post this in multiple threads? I would think one is enough?
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Post by scpg02 on Jul 9, 2010 23:33:46 GMT
Edit: Why post this in multiple threads? I would think one is enough? I'd like to know how she can post with an account that is not activated.
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Post by excalibur on Jul 10, 2010 1:40:08 GMT
boxman, are you an expert?
Are you saying that the population in Grisefiord are a bunch of liars.
How do you know magnetic pole switch has nothing to do with the tilt?
Guru?
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Post by boxman on Jul 10, 2010 13:32:12 GMT
boxman, are you an expert? Are you saying that the population in Grisefiord are a bunch of liars. How do you know magnetic pole switch has nothing to do with the tilt? Guru? I know enough to know that they are wrong about the tilt changing. I suggest you read up on the milankovich cycles.
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Post by excalibur on Jul 10, 2010 13:40:59 GMT
Well you have not convinced me of your knowledge or this forum and most of all, to all the people of Grisefiord that are getting sunlight when usually they didnt have it.
So yes I know Milankovich but Milankovich couldn't prove that the procession is done in a steady constant, he just simplistically assumed it.
Please expose to us your knowledge regarding your conviction that the Magnetic pole rapid movement have no impact at all on the tilt, you said it with conviction, you should be able to prove it empirically.
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Post by dagrump on Jul 10, 2010 15:37:24 GMT
"Are you saying that the population in Grisefiord are a bunch of liars." Are you aware that Grise Fiord has only been an occupied settlement since 1953? ? Not exactly a long term record.
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Post by excalibur on Jul 10, 2010 17:03:53 GMT
Indigenous observations concerning the sun and ultraviolet radiation. Many people in the Arctic have observed changes in the characteristics of the sun and its effects since the early 1990s. While not discussed in terms of UV radiation, many indigenous observations do include the same concerns as UV scientists. Most commonly expressed is the ts perception that the sun is stronger or more ``stinging'' and ``sharp'' feeling. The sun's heat seems to e have become more intense and northern residents report unusual sunburns, eye irritations, and skin rashes... but the heat of the sun is stronger. The reason why I mention the fact that the sun seems warmer is because another evidence to that is that we get some skin diseases or some skin problems. Because I think in the past when Peter was a young boy they never seemed to have these skin problems and I see them more and more these observations days. Humans are not the only ones affected by a more intense sun. Inuit in Nunavut link other environmental changes for to the sun. In some areas, for example, although the overall temperature may not be warmer, elders claim that the heat of the sun is causing small ponds to be warmer than usual or to dry up altogether. In some places, meat hung out to dry seems to get burned by the sun, and caribou skins seem to rip more easily around the neck area, a new condition elders link to skins possibly being burnt or becoming too hot from the sun (Fox, 2004).
Hudson Strait Inuit describe the sun as having a strong burning effect on human skin, and it has burnt the faces of Belcher Islands hunters, a phenomenon considered very unusual. Between 1990 and 1993, the sun's heat seemed to change; when a white, misty haze in the higher atmosphere screened the sun, both northwestern Hudson Bay and Hudson Strait Inuit observed that insects and vegetation did not thrive and the sun was less effective in melting the snow and ice.
Since the 1940s, weather in northwestern Hudson Bay has become highly variable. There used to be more clear, calm days, winters were colder, and low temperatures persisted longer. By the early 1 990s, weather changes were quick, unexpected, and difficult to predict. Blizzards, for example, would occur on clear days in the Chesterfield Inlet area, but on days when environmental indicators suggested a blizzard, it would not materialize.
...Funny how this happen right when the magnetic pole is switching...
Maybe its not the Sun, maybe this is CO2 skinbite
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Post by excalibur on Jul 10, 2010 17:25:03 GMT
Elders across Nunavut have noticed that the sun and stars have changed their position in the sky. The sun is now rising higher and staying longer than it used to. Importantly, in the far north, you must remember that the sun goes below the horizon for a large part of the year, and therefore Inuit are very familiar with its celestial pattern. Indeed, Inuit we’re talking with are telling us stories about how in the old days, during the dark months, they would travel the land by dog team using stars as their navigational tools. So, when Inuit talk about the sun and stars, they do so with an intimate knowledge of these systems. We’ve heard that the earth has tilted in the direction of the sun. Elders explain that this is why the sun is higher in the sky and there is increased and more direct heat entering the Arctic ecosystem. As Japiti explains, this has subsequently altered migratory routes of animals, warmed the ocean water, and thinned the ice cover. While this almost sounds like a fringe theory to obfuscate that fossil fuel use increases greenhouse gases, it is actually something has just recently been acknowledged by scientists. chapter126.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/the-earth-has-shifted-2009-05-28-ian-mauro/
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Post by hunterson on Jul 12, 2010 15:26:38 GMT
Hmmmm.... if the Earth was tilting in new ways, I think the entire planet would participate.
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Post by boxman on Jul 12, 2010 16:56:39 GMT
excaliburThen why havent anyone else noticed? If tilt suddenly changed significantly then it would cause problems for people who are into astronomy and similar for example.
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Post by graywolf on Jul 12, 2010 19:28:17 GMT
Didn't we used to see reports on how the old 'open air' nuclear tests altered the earths tilt? I know both above ground and air tests are now banned but did it really impact (however small) the earths tilt and rotation and is this now impacting on a wider stage as the 'change settles in? I know Richard Alley pointed out the 4000yr cycle that allows a lessening of extremes and a more stable year long energy distribution so maybe our human messing was poorly timed and a precesional extreme coupled with the milankovich max may have been a better time to start messing with our attempts to perfect mega death?
We also have to look at gas gaint gravity/orbital anoms that may add another forcing to our tilt/position?
And on top of that we have the AGW driven switch from the old tri-pole to the more common 'di-pole' set up across the high arctic leading to changes in cloud cover so maybe the village is just seeing the sun more and noting it passage where once it was just cloud?
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