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Post by stranger on Aug 18, 2010 0:54:21 GMT
From history and from personal experience: Protein and fat will be the most critical dietary needs when the SHTF. And it has to be edible to YOU. Don't just stick stuff on the shelf that you have not tried, because a high percentage of commercial emergency supplies would gag a maggot.
In theory, you should have a years supply of grub, at 2 pounds of food per person, per day, plus the same for any pets you may have. Personally, I go heavy on canned meats, hard cheeses that keep without refrigeration, leaf lard, and hardtack. Along with 50 pounds of sugar per person, and flour, baking powder, and other supplies to suit your tastes. If you are not the cook, consult the cook for a week's provisions times 52.
Unless you have unusually deep pockets, buy in bulk, as you can. Put the new stuff in front and eat from the rear of your food stash. Pretty soon you have the years supply, and if you miss a week at the grocers, double up when you can go.
You will need seeds for the food crops that are common in your area. And if you are not a gardener it would be a good idea to fill every square inch you can with food plants instead of flowers. Or put a screen of flowers in front, and turnips to the rear of the bed. Practice makes perfect so garden like your life depended on it.
We let millions of gallons of potable water go for the lack of clean gutters and cisterns, and you should remedy the oversight before it hits. BUT you need some way to shut the gutters off from the cistern in case of radioactives. And you need a water filter. I find the one from Monolithic products to be both highly effective and inexpensive.
Medicines? Two years supply of the stuff you usually use, toothpaste and brushes, razors, etc., etc.. If you can wangle it, plenty of a variety of antibiotics. You can purchase empty capsules and store animal antibiotics in your freezer. Veterinary Amoxycillin is the same as the human stuff, but in bulk instead of pills, etc. After IT hits, no one is going to ask where you got it. Get a mult-vitamin with 150 percent of the MDR. One 400 capsule bottle for each person should last a year. EXCEPT you should stock heavily on D3, because almost everyone is D deficient. You really need 5,000 "units" or so a day, and when TSHTF you probably will not get enough sunlight to come close to that amount.
Whisky? For trade purposes. Tobacco? Quit now, and fill a freezer with smokes and chewing tobacco for trading purposes. As much of all three as you can afford, and you can store. And what do you do for the first year?
Spend every possible minute trying to become self sufficient. Especially in food, and in weapons.
And do get really friendly with your neighbors. There is strength in numbers. More strength if you all have shotguns of course!
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Post by scpg02 on Aug 18, 2010 1:18:26 GMT
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Post by mason on Aug 18, 2010 7:46:01 GMT
From history and from personal experience: Protein and fat will be the most critical dietary needs when the SHTF. And it has to be edible to YOU. Don't just stick stuff on the shelf that you have not tried, because a high percentage of commercial emergency supplies would gag a maggot. In theory, you should have a years supply of grub, at 2 pounds of food per person, per day, plus the same for any pets you may have. Personally, I go heavy on canned meats, hard cheeses that keep without refrigeration, leaf lard, and hardtack. Along with 50 pounds of sugar per person, and flour, baking powder, and other supplies to suit your tastes. If you are not the cook, consult the cook for a week's provisions times 52. Unless you have unusually deep pockets, buy in bulk, as you can. Put the new stuff in front and eat from the rear of your food stash. Pretty soon you have the years supply, and if you miss a week at the grocers, double up when you can go. You will need seeds for the food crops that are common in your area. And if you are not a gardener it would be a good idea to fill every square inch you can with food plants instead of flowers. Or put a screen of flowers in front, and turnips to the rear of the bed. Practice makes perfect so garden like your life depended on it. We let millions of gallons of potable water go for the lack of clean gutters and cisterns, and you should remedy the oversight before it hits. BUT you need some way to shut the gutters off from the cistern in case of radioactives. And you need a water filter. I find the one from Monolithic products to be both highly effective and inexpensive. Medicines? Two years supply of the stuff you usually use, toothpaste and brushes, razors, etc., etc.. If you can wangle it, plenty of a variety of antibiotics. You can purchase empty capsules and store animal antibiotics in your freezer. Veterinary Amoxycillin is the same as the human stuff, but in bulk instead of pills, etc. After IT hits, no one is going to ask where you got it. Get a mult-vitamin with 150 percent of the MDR. One 400 capsule bottle for each person should last a year. EXCEPT you should stock heavily on D3, because almost everyone is D deficient. You really need 5,000 "units" or so a day, and when TSHTF you probably will not get enough sunlight to come close to that amount. Whisky? For trade purposes. Tobacco? Quit now, and fill a freezer with smokes and chewing tobacco for trading purposes. As much of all three as you can afford, and you can store. And what do you do for the first year? Spend every possible minute trying to become self sufficient. Especially in food, and in weapons. And do get really friendly with your neighbors. There is strength in numbers. More strength if you all have shotguns of course! Stranger Although your post sounds extreme it is nevertheless correct...Scary to think what would happen if store shelves emptied and weren't re-filled. I'd add lots of honey to that list as well. Lots and lots of honey. Carbohydrate rich, never goes 'off'. Perfect survival food and would brighten up any 'hard tack'
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Post by nemesis on Aug 18, 2010 14:40:17 GMT
Thinking.....Do I really want to be alive under those conditions ?!
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Post by byz on Aug 18, 2010 16:06:55 GMT
Thinking.....Do I really want to be alive under those conditions ?! I know what you mean However it is what has happened through most of human history
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Post by hunterson on Aug 18, 2010 16:28:27 GMT
Thinking.....Do I really want to be alive under those conditions ?! If it is hard and tough just quit?
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Post by hunterson on Aug 18, 2010 16:29:22 GMT
From history and from personal experience: Protein and fat will be the most critical dietary needs when the SHTF. And it has to be edible to YOU. Don't just stick stuff on the shelf that you have not tried, because a high percentage of commercial emergency supplies would gag a maggot. In theory, you should have a years supply of grub, at 2 pounds of food per person, per day, plus the same for any pets you may have. Personally, I go heavy on canned meats, hard cheeses that keep without refrigeration, leaf lard, and hardtack. Along with 50 pounds of sugar per person, and flour, baking powder, and other supplies to suit your tastes. If you are not the cook, consult the cook for a week's provisions times 52. Unless you have unusually deep pockets, buy in bulk, as you can. Put the new stuff in front and eat from the rear of your food stash. Pretty soon you have the years supply, and if you miss a week at the grocers, double up when you can go. You will need seeds for the food crops that are common in your area. And if you are not a gardener it would be a good idea to fill every square inch you can with food plants instead of flowers. Or put a screen of flowers in front, and turnips to the rear of the bed. Practice makes perfect so garden like your life depended on it. We let millions of gallons of potable water go for the lack of clean gutters and cisterns, and you should remedy the oversight before it hits. BUT you need some way to shut the gutters off from the cistern in case of radioactives. And you need a water filter. I find the one from Monolithic products to be both highly effective and inexpensive. Medicines? Two years supply of the stuff you usually use, toothpaste and brushes, razors, etc., etc.. If you can wangle it, plenty of a variety of antibiotics. You can purchase empty capsules and store animal antibiotics in your freezer. Veterinary Amoxycillin is the same as the human stuff, but in bulk instead of pills, etc. After IT hits, no one is going to ask where you got it. Get a mult-vitamin with 150 percent of the MDR. One 400 capsule bottle for each person should last a year. EXCEPT you should stock heavily on D3, because almost everyone is D deficient. You really need 5,000 "units" or so a day, and when TSHTF you probably will not get enough sunlight to come close to that amount. Whisky? For trade purposes. Tobacco? Quit now, and fill a freezer with smokes and chewing tobacco for trading purposes. As much of all three as you can afford, and you can store. And what do you do for the first year? Spend every possible minute trying to become self sufficient. Especially in food, and in weapons. And do get really friendly with your neighbors. There is strength in numbers. More strength if you all have shotguns of course! Stranger Do you realize how rare these events are?
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Post by socold on Aug 18, 2010 20:31:48 GMT
plenty of people without food stockpiles will come out looking for food eventually even if outside is all radiated. So don't tell anyone in your area that you are stockpiling food and if you dont want to have to kill intruders then pile as much crap behind doors and windows as possible.
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Post by byz on Aug 18, 2010 21:22:02 GMT
plenty of people without food stockpiles will come out looking for food eventually even if outside is all radiated. So don't tell anyone in your area that you are stockpiling food and if you dont want to have to kill intruders then pile as much crap behind doors and windows as possible. One thing the British have is the "Blitz spirit", when times are hard they work together rather than shoot each other and you can see that in the way we in London have responded to terrorism, the bombs may go off but the next day we are still going to work ;D I've personally been close to to IRA bombs in the 1980's and 1990's but it didn't make me change what I did the next day, that's Londoners for you ;D
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Post by socold on Aug 18, 2010 23:15:54 GMT
People will work together to find food and when all the food from the stores is gone they will be working together looting. That's why I figure not to tell anyone you are stockpiling because it only takes one of them to remember you have a load of food. At least that's what I figure, I might be wrong obviously I've never lived through that kind of thing, but I figure if the supply flow does vanish there will in a matter of days become a massive shortage of food compared to the number of people in the area and then the number of looters will soar even if only a minority of people turn to looting.
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Post by icefisher on Aug 19, 2010 0:09:10 GMT
plenty of people without food stockpiles will come out looking for food eventually even if outside is all radiated. So don't tell anyone in your area that you are stockpiling food and if you dont want to have to kill intruders then pile as much crap behind doors and windows as possible. One thing the British have is the "Blitz spirit", when times are hard they work together rather than shoot each other and you can see that in the way we in London have responded to terrorism, the bombs may go off but the next day we are still going to work ;D I've personally been close to to IRA bombs in the 1980's and 1990's but it didn't make me change what I did the next day, that's Londoners for you ;D Indeed! When you build a welfare society with no skills, chaos is the result. You can see it in places where welfare is a way of life and its sponge or steal. A nice education in how to be self sufficient goes a long way towards the blitz spirit.
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Post by byz on Aug 19, 2010 7:07:30 GMT
The earthquakes are slowly moving to Katla. Still low scale.
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Post by byz on Aug 19, 2010 12:08:27 GMT
Looks like something is happening under Vatnajökull lots of earth quakes going on and there are a number of volcanoes under the ice sheet.
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Post by nemesis on Aug 19, 2010 12:44:57 GMT
From history and from personal experience: Protein and fat will be the most critical dietary needs when the SHTF. And it has to be edible to YOU. Don't just stick stuff on the shelf that you have not tried, because a high percentage of commercial emergency supplies would gag a maggot. In theory, you should have a years supply of grub, at 2 pounds of food per person, per day, plus the same for any pets you may have. Personally, I go heavy on canned meats, hard cheeses that keep without refrigeration, leaf lard, and hardtack. Along with 50 pounds of sugar per person, and flour, baking powder, and other supplies to suit your tastes. If you are not the cook, consult the cook for a week's provisions times 52. Unless you have unusually deep pockets, buy in bulk, as you can. Put the new stuff in front and eat from the rear of your food stash. Pretty soon you have the years supply, and if you miss a week at the grocers, double up when you can go. You will need seeds for the food crops that are common in your area. And if you are not a gardener it would be a good idea to fill every square inch you can with food plants instead of flowers. Or put a screen of flowers in front, and turnips to the rear of the bed. Practice makes perfect so garden like your life depended on it. We let millions of gallons of potable water go for the lack of clean gutters and cisterns, and you should remedy the oversight before it hits. BUT you need some way to shut the gutters off from the cistern in case of radioactives. And you need a water filter. I find the one from Monolithic products to be both highly effective and inexpensive. Medicines? Two years supply of the stuff you usually use, toothpaste and brushes, razors, etc., etc.. If you can wangle it, plenty of a variety of antibiotics. You can purchase empty capsules and store animal antibiotics in your freezer. Veterinary Amoxycillin is the same as the human stuff, but in bulk instead of pills, etc. After IT hits, no one is going to ask where you got it. Get a mult-vitamin with 150 percent of the MDR. One 400 capsule bottle for each person should last a year. EXCEPT you should stock heavily on D3, because almost everyone is D deficient. You really need 5,000 "units" or so a day, and when TSHTF you probably will not get enough sunlight to come close to that amount. Whisky? For trade purposes. Tobacco? Quit now, and fill a freezer with smokes and chewing tobacco for trading purposes. As much of all three as you can afford, and you can store. And what do you do for the first year? Spend every possible minute trying to become self sufficient. Especially in food, and in weapons. And do get really friendly with your neighbors. There is strength in numbers. More strength if you all have shotguns of course! Stranger Do you realize how rare these events are? Perhaps some therapy for all the doom-mongers: www.rationaloptimist.com/Matt Ridley rationalizes alot of 'scare' topics in his blog, but I agree there is no excuse for complacency
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Post by stranger on Aug 19, 2010 19:29:06 GMT
Nemisis, a years supply of food on hand insulates you from sharp price rises; allows you to stock up when the stores have sales, or buy and can seasonal items; and will almost certainly save you a substantial percentage of its cost. It is a bit of trouble to keep track of what you need to restock - but in the event you are shut off from stores that trouble will be repaid many times over.
The problem with the "British Spirit" is there are so many in Britain who do not consider themselves British. Just as there are so many in America who do not consider themselves Americans.
Stranger
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