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Post by dopeydog on Nov 5, 2008 12:29:10 GMT
From ICECAP:
By Chris Horner
Makes you wonder if global warming started in 1984.
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Post by Acolyte on Nov 5, 2008 19:54:31 GMT
Interestingly, it was 1984 when Thatcher went up aginst the coal miners in England - her desire to have the upper hand over them led to the beginnings of the whole anthropogenic global warming scam - she wanted everyone to believe that using coal for power was a bad thing so the coal miners wouldn't have the power they were wielding. She won the battle & got nuclear power going & shortly after the UN said... 'what a good idea!' & we've (& Science) been paying ever since.
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Post by woodstove on Nov 5, 2008 21:04:52 GMT
Interestingly, it was 1984 when Thatcher went up aginst the coal miners in England - her desire to have the upper hand over them led to the beginnings of the whole anthropogenic global warming scam - she wanted everyone to believe that using coal for power was a bad thing so the coal miners wouldn't have the power they were wielding. She won the battle & got nuclear power going & shortly after the UN said... 'what a good idea!' & we've (& Science) been paying ever since. The scam started about a decade earlier at a conference hosted by Margaret Mead. Stephen Schneider, Paul Ehrlich, and other doomsday prophets were all there. Schneider was mid-transition from his position that the Ice Age, produced by man, was about to kill us to his position that Global Warming, produced by man, was about to kill us. He continues to train whole generations of warming "scientists" at Stanford. More here on the '75 conference: www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/GWHoaxBorn.pdfThatcher did amplify AGW hysteria, powerfully. Bear in mind, too, though, that Gore had taken his famous class at Harvard from Roger Revelle in the late 1960s. A class I took on Meteorology at Dartmouth in 1985 was fueled not by the British, Thatcher-stoked warming terror but by home-grown stuff that had been percolating in American science departments for quite a while at that point. By the way, in 1991, shortly before his death, Revelle co-authored a paper that included the following quote: "The scientific basis for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time."
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Post by dopeydog on Nov 6, 2008 0:47:23 GMT
Actually I was thinking of Orwell's 1984.
But was Thatcher reffering to coal as being a dirty fuel because of CO2 or because of the real polutants coal can put out like sulphates, nitrates, etc.?
Even Hansen hadn't stuck his skinny little neck out yet. That was still the MM and Ehrlick crowd with out that big of an audience...yet (and in the 80's I think they had lost ground).
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Post by ron on Nov 6, 2008 3:06:45 GMT
OMG THAT'S HIM!!!! Stephen Schneider! He's on the IPCC. stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Biography/BioFrameset.html?http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Biography/Biography.htmlOf course I recognize him as a litte older: I recently saw a global warming conference. He was advocating that the government should barge into people's homes to inspect that they were not using energy inefficient devices. I nearly fell off my chair! *HE* WAS AN ICE AGE IS COMING ALARMIST BEFORE? ?? How is he on this panel of experts that is driving public policy? ? OMG! He actually said this? : He clearly has an agenda... is that proper? His agenda surely is that human activity must be the cause of climate change, one way or the other. Is that a proper agenda for someone in the IPCC? I'm disgusted. The IPCC should throw him off -- if they do not, they have NO, NONE, ZERO credibility with me. Chrissakes.
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Post by ron on Nov 6, 2008 4:02:19 GMT
I've read his "madiarology" page on his website: stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Mediarology/MediarologyFrameset.html?http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Mediarology/Mediarology.html(You'll need to cute and paste the whole thing) He claims the phrase "I hope that means being both." was present in the original article, but dropped from subsequent publications. Fair enough. He does go on for pages about how it is OK for a scientist to be an advocate -- after all, he's a human being too. I'm sorry, Mr. Schneider, but if you need to go on for pages arguing how it must really be OK for a scientist to be an advocate, that means the general public isn't in agreement with you, or at very least is ignorant of the fact that a scientist can in fact be an advocate as well. This gives your personal opinion and your advocacy positions unwarranted weightiness. The public expects, as you freely admit, scientists to "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but", and when you don't give a balanced presentation you are not holding up that expectation. People expect their scientists to be neutral, like a "Judge of the Science", weighing the facts and disseminating only the truth, not an exaggeration to make your particular take on the possibilities seem more likely than they really are, and worst case catastrophe scenarios without the balance of their remote likelihoods. You sir, are a disgrace.
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Post by Acolyte on Nov 6, 2008 4:02:49 GMT
Now ron, you need to calm down, then go & re-read some of the threads & references here. *grins* You'll soon heat up again! The IPCC has the same agenda - their behaviour, junk science, underhand tactics & lack of concern about disgracing Science makes that quite clear. Schneider fits in quite nicely with them so I doubt they're going to throw him out any time soon.
Let's just make sure he doesn't get to switch back to the Ice Age side when ice bergs float up the Thames.
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Post by msphar on Nov 11, 2008 7:40:04 GMT
So I take it from the latest news out of GISS that Hansen has faked the world October temperature using Sept data for Oct. Seems like we are witnessing more ends justify the means stuff here again. agw may be withering on the vine but you can't prove it by the trash coming out of some otherwise noble organizations.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Nov 11, 2008 9:47:05 GMT
Everyone "cool" down - We are all biased. Some of us are more aware of our own bias (and can then try & honestly compensate, or even over compensate!). Others think that they are impartial and only the other side is biased. Those are usually the most biased.
But we are human, and we cannot separate our emotions & opinions. The pure, honest, impartial scientist is a Myth. "What my net doesn't catch isn't fish"
For someone who sees mankind as a blight on the surface of the Earth, they will tend to see things in a certain way... ;D
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Post by dopeydog on Nov 11, 2008 17:33:43 GMT
It will be interesting to see if any of the main stream media acknowledge this error. I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Post by mpaul on Nov 17, 2008 14:19:03 GMT
*This "blunder" of utilization of Russian September temps for October, in conjunction with the deceptive headline "Hottest October on record", *in conjunction with the subjective nature of land temps (versus calibrated satellite temps), *the disparities of the land temps compared to UAH and RSS satellite temps, *Hansen's "mistake" and revision of "record" March 2008 temps (and again, the big media splash with the original story, and never a retraction), *Hansen's "mistake" of the 2000's being the hottest (later revised to have been the 1930's, never retracted in most complicit media), *and no telling what else. The guy knows the media: they report the "heat records", and never retract. He is a PR trickster, not a scientist. www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/sorcerers_apprentice_caught_wi.html
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Post by dopeydog on Nov 18, 2008 1:20:57 GMT
Hansen is a polititian pretending to be a scientist working the top powers, just like Trofim Lysenko did with Stalin. Scientific truth is the last thing on his mind it exists for him at all.
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Post by dopeydog on Nov 22, 2008 2:14:05 GMT
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Post by dopeydog on Nov 22, 2008 2:15:48 GMT
One wonders who helped craft that sentence!
We really should be writing our congressman. NOAA doesn't need anymore money, because they already know everything.
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Post by dopeydog on Dec 5, 2008 20:01:05 GMT
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