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Post by graywolf on Aug 8, 2015 20:43:44 GMT
Remnants? On its way but then it looks pretty messy for the next period? with 6cm bottom melt per day recorded from the buoys 80N or further we'd all better hope ice thickness across the C.A.B. are awry 'cause , at such a melt rate, we don't have enough thickness???
Then we go back to 'rotten ice'
We all watch the 'Healey' aloft cam as it ploughs through the basin over summer so we all know just how messed up some of that ice is by seasons end?
Our sensors ( passive micro wave of radar) do not show us how each floe is for integrity, just the ice age.
so how many of the multiyear floes are compromised such? Any wave action exploiting such a lunar surface ( surface area vs ice mass) would surely see enhanced melt?
This is bottom melt end of the season. all the ice left is 'good ice' and it , appears to be in? , melt? How much of it is in temps low enough to stave off melt out?
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Post by douglavers on Aug 8, 2015 21:43:10 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 9, 2015 18:48:43 GMT
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Post by graywolf on Aug 10, 2015 7:55:43 GMT
Yup, still some 'easy ice' in the Basin to go even though we are into the central ice generally? 2012 lost this ice way back in the season so maybe we should shave off this area when looking at how we are doing ( I do not think anyone suggests that any ice will survive summer surely???).
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Post by acidohm on Aug 10, 2015 9:05:36 GMT
Yup, still some 'easy ice' in the Basin to go even though we are into the central ice generally? 2012 lost this ice way back in the season so maybe we should shave off this area when looking at how we are doing ( I do not think anyone suggests that any ice will survive summer surely???). Hudson bay has VERY low ssta right now....what your suggesting sounds like 'adjustment'
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Post by Ratty on Aug 10, 2015 9:44:16 GMT
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Post by graywolf on Aug 10, 2015 11:01:13 GMT
Merely a 'trick' to let you see where min will fall? We all know this ice is doomed but we have a lot of vulnerable ice still in the basin under high basal melt forcings. JAXA's near century today refelcts this type of ice which is now blinking out esp. over our side ( Atlantic) over the past few days ( warm water transport into the basin over that side).
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Aug 10, 2015 12:03:25 GMT
Mr. Wolf reminds me of an American football fan whose team is down by 17 late in the fourth, but who searches for, and finds, hope in even the tiniest yardage gain by his team
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Post by Ratty on Aug 10, 2015 12:10:17 GMT
Merely a 'trick' to let you see where min will fall? We all know this ice is doomed but we have a lot of vulnerable ice still in the basin under high basal melt forcings. JAXA's near century today refelcts this type of ice which is now blinking out esp. over our side ( Atlantic) over the past few days ( warm water transport into the basin over that side). GW, do you see an ice-free Arctic this year? If not, when will it happen?
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Post by acidohm on Aug 10, 2015 12:14:30 GMT
Merely a 'trick' to let you see where min will fall? We all know this ice is doomed but we have a lot of vulnerable ice still in the basin under high basal melt forcings. JAXA's near century today refelcts this type of ice which is now blinking out esp. over our side ( Atlantic) over the past few days ( warm water transport into the basin over that side). A trick eh?!! I'll have to keep a closer eye on the pesky scientific readings....also a bit ironic coming from a Warmist! :-D
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Post by dontgetoutmuch on Aug 10, 2015 13:17:35 GMT
If I read you correctly GrayWolf, what you are saying is that all the ice is gone, and any ice that happens to remain simply doesn't count because science says it's not there?
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Post by graywolf on Aug 14, 2015 8:36:58 GMT
Put it this way we are 130km over 2013's min with Baffin and Hudson still holding 150km of ice.......
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Post by throttleup on Aug 15, 2015 16:21:55 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Aug 16, 2015 16:02:34 GMT
Put it this way we are 130km over 2013's min with Baffin and Hudson still holding 150km of ice....... The odd thing about the arctic and sub arctic regions is the the arctic is up to 6°c warmer then average in July. ..however many areas below this are recording below average temps, hence I guess why Hudson and Baffin hang on while the main ice cap suffers??
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Post by graywolf on Aug 16, 2015 19:09:12 GMT
Over most all of July we saw H.P. over the pole so the 'cold' was again shipped south. We copped for some of it here in the UK! With Aug looking to see H.P. again dominating the central basin it looks like some areas will see cold...... but then the earth's girth is larger as you trawl south so those areas are limited and set among the many areas recording record high temps over this summer? They did say more extreme weather didn't they?
What amazes me is the scale of the triple 'R' as it blocks the entrance through Bering? I was concerned about recurve typhoons/cyclones but it appears the blob has slammed the door shut!!! Any L.P. systems have to track over land ( Siberia really?) to reach the basin and I do not know if this is 'good' or 'Bad' news insofar as cyclogenisis goes ( as we saw with GAC12??). That said FI shows a real doozy coming in from Siberia down to 980mb???
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