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Post by nonentropic on Sept 12, 2015 8:51:27 GMT
There we agree totally, we know extremely little. and the learning, because it will come, will have a very large number of surprises.
Regarding ocean currents and there speed of change I'm not sure they change fast so much as the 2D slice we see on the surface of a 3D bundle of currents can change fast. So they may all be present beneath the surface but the "expressed or critical" current we see changes. We hear a lot about salinity, temperature, buoyancy etc. and these all interact to show a satellite measurable surface manifestation of ocean temperature and current. Nullschool shows this in a magnificent way. A true marvel.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 12, 2015 12:30:04 GMT
Yes, it will fall until it hits water. ... and it will be free.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 12, 2015 12:32:00 GMT
[ Snip ] Ice ages or warm phases have no earth bound cause. Give that man a prize!
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 13, 2015 3:53:05 GMT
So, am I worried about a reduction in Arctic Ice? YES, but only because EACH of the times in the Holocene that Arctic Ice has been reduced to winter ice, it cooled FAST worldwide. There was a paper last year from the Univ of Wisconsin that talked about "step changes" in climate. One heck of a paper. Looking back, it is easy to see the step changes even within the Holocene. New research shows that vanishing Arctic summer sea ice—a consequence of global warming—may drive extreme winters in lower latitudes for decades to come. www.takepart.com/article/2015/08/31/arctic-sea-ice-melt-global-warming-extreme-cold-wintersPaper is here: www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo2517.html and the article may have hyped it a bit, but since I'd have to buy it to see, I don't know. Sig. While this story seems to focus on the Eastern United States and not necessarily the world, does the general prognosis jive with what you've seen for past periods of little-to-no arctic ice? Minus the hyped causal element of course.
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 13, 2015 4:22:23 GMT
Yep. The area affected was full NH. Cool summers as well.
The paper is trying to support a paper Francis published a few years ago in regards to Arctic Ice and Polar vortex. Like a polar vortex is something new. LMAO
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Post by graywolf on Sept 14, 2015 13:16:29 GMT
Jaxa has us under 2011 now grabbing third place ( above 2 disastrously low years)....... Yeah recovery!!!!
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Post by Andrew on Sept 14, 2015 16:42:43 GMT
Jaxa has us under 2011 now grabbing third place ( above 2 disastrously low years)....... Yeah recovery!!!! Congratulations. A few drinks due I am supposing.
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Post by Ufasuperstorm on Sept 14, 2015 18:59:12 GMT
Jaxa has us under 2011 now grabbing third place ( above 2 disastrously low years)....... Yeah recovery!!!! Graywolf, Area finished in 6th place this year. (Cyrosphere Today) Whereas volume finished in fifth place. (PIOMASS) The cyrosphere is incredibly compact this year and extent (JAXA) only tells a trivial part of the story.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 14, 2015 22:37:51 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 15, 2015 1:06:32 GMT
Goddard Media Studios? ?? Lord love a duck!!!! This 15 second video gets credits for a lead producer, lead animator and a writer (2 short paragraphs). Probably GS-11, 12 or 13 pay grades.
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Post by Ufasuperstorm on Sept 16, 2015 1:30:59 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 16, 2015 2:04:31 GMT
Now Graywolf has another year to fret about the demise of Arctic Ice.
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Post by dontgetoutmuch on Sept 16, 2015 14:19:06 GMT
Jaxa has us under 2011 now grabbing third place ( above 2 disastrously low years)....... Yeah recovery!!!! There was a disaster!?! Oh my gosh! How many were injured? How many died? What was damaged? How much did it cost? What? No one was hurt? No one died? Nothing was damaged? The only money that changed hands was extortion money? I thought disaster meant something different.
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Post by acidohm on Sept 16, 2015 15:55:19 GMT
It was pretty disastrous for those who claimed we'd have no ice by now, well disastrous to their claims anyway....They are dead!
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Post by douglavers on Sept 16, 2015 18:23:12 GMT
ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.phpAnnual arctic cooldown looks alarmingly normal. The Martians think that the arctic ice recovery this year will be fast: not as much heat as normal feeding into region via North Atlantic Drift. Latter has been partially "blocked" by a cold North Atlantic, which might make the 15/16 European winter interesting. weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif
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