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Post by douglavers on Sept 20, 2015 21:46:49 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 21, 2015 1:52:30 GMT
Graywolf has to have something to worry about. He is well fed, just sayin.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Sept 21, 2015 10:12:25 GMT
Kiwistonewall's pennys worth: I have "airbrushed" in areas of ice at the minimum not shown on the NSIDC image at minimum. Why is this such a big deal? There is always some areas of thin ice that don't appear due to the satellite data algorithm cut offs. The big deal is this: those areas are already at the freezing point of seawater. I've not seen anything like that in the years I've been following Artic ice. These areas will very quickly freeze over. The second thing I've noticed, and probably WHY the recovery has been so large, is that very little ice appears to have gone down Fram strait this year - (I watch the ice flow movement almost every day.) So the recovery (or decline, if you are so inclined!) is largely just "weather", and really means nothing much, at least to those of us with a skeptical bent. Theories are just theories, and I tend to give a lot of credence to Willis Eschenbach who posts regularly over at WUWT. He debunks a lot of stuff put up by both "sides" and his own ideas of emergent phenomena seems plausible - i.e. weather systems emerge to control the Earth's climate in a narrow range (Such as daily tropical cloud formation and thunderstorms). Some of these emergent systems may operate over long periods. We are all so ignorant of the long term climate systems (given that we all think 30-100 years is a long time!) We are such short lived, short sighted folk! I've been "silent" here lately, busy curing MS(YES!), and the diet & nutrition wars - more tasty than ice But I'm still here. I just don't like feeding trolls, and see no point in going over the same old stuff again and again and again. Regards to all my old friends here.
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Post by acidohm on Sept 21, 2015 12:40:20 GMT
Kiwistonewall's pennys worth: I have "airbrushed" in areas of ice at the minimum not shown on the NSIDC image at minimum. Why is this such a big deal? There is always some areas of thin ice that don't appear due to the satellite data algorithm cut offs. The big deal is this: those areas are already at the freezing point of seawater. I've not seen anything like that in the years I've been following Artic ice. These areas will very quickly freeze over. The second thing I've noticed, and probably WHY the recovery has been so large, is that very little ice appears to have gone down Fram strait this year - (I watch the ice flow movement almost every day.) So the recovery (or decline, if you are so inclined!) is largely just "weather", and really means nothing much, at least to those of us with a skeptical bent. Theories are just theories, and I tend to give a lot of credence to Willis Eschenbach who posts regularly over at WUWT. He debunks a lot of stuff put up by both "sides" and his own ideas of emergent phenomena seems plausible - i.e. weather systems emerge to control the Earth's climate in a narrow range (Such as daily tropical cloud formation and thunderstorms). Some of these emergent systems may operate over long periods. We are all so ignorant of the long term climate systems (given that we all think 30-100 years is a long time!) We are such short lived, short sighted folk! I've been "silent" here lately, busy curing MS(YES!), and the diet & nutrition wars - more tasty than ice But I'm still here. I just don't like feeding trolls, and see no point in going over the same old stuff again and again and again. Regards to all my old friends here. Nice post Kiwistonewall.....its interesting to hear from an optimistic 'ice wiggle watcher' I look forward to seeing if your right!!
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 21, 2015 13:13:23 GMT
I fully expect Arctic Ice to approach 1970's levels in abt 20 years.
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Post by Andrew on Sept 21, 2015 13:38:36 GMT
Recovery? At the current rate we will be looking for the missing cold.
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Post by birder on Sept 21, 2015 19:14:21 GMT
I fully expect Arctic Ice to approach 1970's levels in abt 20 years. I think it will be well before then. Also it's good to see Kiwistonewall back.
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Post by neilhamp on Sept 22, 2015 9:22:03 GMT
Quite agree with Birder and Sigurdur regarding the recovery. Also delighted to see you back Kiwistonewall
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Post by kiwistonewall on Sept 22, 2015 10:16:54 GMT
I didn't go away - just been hovering around - mostly exploring nutrition science (which is in a worse way than climate science) - Bad climate science doesn't kill and cripple as quickly as bad nutrition! Google Robert Lustig, Gary Taubes or go here eatingacademy.com/start-here (Dr Peter Attia) Or Australia's Professor Ken Sikaris (Pathology & expert on fat & cholesterol) So I keep a watch here almost once a week, but seldom post. But the artic is sure interesting this year.
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Post by acidohm on Sept 29, 2015 20:14:18 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 30, 2015 3:15:25 GMT
Not this winter. .... .....
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 1, 2015 14:48:55 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Oct 3, 2015 20:16:24 GMT
www.reportingclimatescience.com/4th lowest Eva total for August. .. On the plus side.....models suggested there should be NO ice, so it's nice to see there is still some.....
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Post by missouriboy on Oct 10, 2015 0:41:05 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 10, 2015 1:03:34 GMT
Even greater with higher sea levels.....
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