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Post by phydeaux2363 on May 25, 2016 14:57:01 GMT
Concentration images seem to be hinting at the formation of a rift in the ice from Kara, through the pole , and into the C.A.? This might be a sat having a moment or could be the results of the relentless forcing toward Fram the ice has been receiving? If the latter then the forecast for the next period would expose the rift and leave us with a split pack??? Very interesting before max insolation? It could clear our side ( Atlantic ) of ice prior to Aug which would be very bad for us if open water over Kara/Barantsz have been causing our flooding since 07'? Then , such a major jolt of energy might just beggar off the forcing to some place else! Very bad for us indeed. I, for one, am taking this seriously, selling all my worldly goods and moving to the high desert. Marfa, Texas, here I come.
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Post by missouriboy on May 25, 2016 16:22:19 GMT
Concentration images seem to be hinting at the formation of a rift in the ice from Kara, through the pole , and into the C.A.? This might be a sat having a moment or could be the results of the relentless forcing toward Fram the ice has been receiving? If the latter then the forecast for the next period would expose the rift and leave us with a split pack??? Very interesting before max insolation? It could clear our side ( Atlantic ) of ice prior to Aug which would be very bad for us if open water over Kara/Barantsz have been causing our flooding since 07'? Then , such a major jolt of energy might just beggar off the forcing to some place else! Very bad for us indeed. I, for one, am taking this seriously, selling all my worldly goods and moving to the high desert. Marfa, Texas, here i come. Well, it looks like it's about 50 miles from the border ... so, you can help man the trenches as all that stuff hits the fan. It does seem to have an airport, so you can keep an escape craft fueled up. Good luck!
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Post by phydeaux2363 on May 25, 2016 16:36:31 GMT
The airport can handle my G-V-SP too! And there are lots of good looking young women in Marfa. It's trying to be the Taos art colony of Texas.
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Post by nautonnier on May 25, 2016 17:40:21 GMT
The airport can handle my G-V-SP too! And there are lots of good looking young women in Marfa. It's trying to be the Taos art colony of Texas. Also hedging your bets - GW is right and you are in the right place - Astro is right and you are in the right place
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Post by nonentropic on May 25, 2016 19:25:45 GMT
Win Win
the left hate the win win thing no one to beat up.
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Post by Ratty on May 25, 2016 22:12:30 GMT
[ Snip ] Very bad for us indeed. I, for one, am taking this seriously, selling all my worldly goods and moving to the high desert. Marfa, Texas, here I come. Marfa, Texas: Elevation 1,428m. You think that's high enough?
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Post by phydeaux2363 on May 25, 2016 22:58:55 GMT
[ Snip ] Very bad for us indeed. I, for one, am taking this seriously, selling all my worldly goods and moving to the high desert. Marfa, Texas, here I come. Marfa, Texas: Elevation 1,428m. You think that's high enough? I got plenty high last time I was there, Mr. Ratty. As for whether I'll keep my feet from getting wet when Mr. Wolf's great flood is upon us, only he can say.
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Post by sigurdur on May 25, 2016 23:30:57 GMT
I hope your plane is a slow flying plane phydeaux2363. The Arctic could be ice free, and sea levels wouldn't rise much. Greenlands land based ice may melt, that is what it is suppose to do during an interglacial. But.............even with a melt, it isn't a big deal. Sea level rise rates are so slow that they are hard to detect. Go back 10,000 years, now THERE sea level rise was noticeable!
Ever since the days of ole King Canute, folks have been talking about sea level.
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Post by Ratty on May 26, 2016 7:06:50 GMT
[ Snip ] Ever since the days of ole King Canute, folks have been talking about sea level. Any relation to Nat King Canute?
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Post by graywolf on May 26, 2016 9:24:00 GMT
We have now been treated to a plethora of papers looking at the collapse of Greenland, from basin by basin studies to ice sheet mechanics and none of them pretty or comforting. If you want to 'watch' something this melt season then check out Jakobshavn and its retreat over this season? Seeing as we have seen no let up in calving ( even with melange buttressing) all winter so warmer temps and melt water lubrication promises to bring us a show! ( hasn't Jason Box got camera's around both calving branches?).
Do I need to bring a chess board and some grains of rice to show you how quickly doubling can get out of hand? Greenland has shown a 6 year doubling period and it shows no sign of abating.
Anyhow , down another 88,000km2 today.
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Post by nautonnier on May 26, 2016 11:05:01 GMT
We have now been treated to a plethora of papers looking at the collapse of Greenland, from basin by basin studies to ice sheet mechanics and none of them pretty or comforting. If you want to 'watch' something this melt season then check out Jakobshavn and its retreat over this season? Seeing as we have seen no let up in calving ( even with melange buttressing) all winter so warmer temps and melt water lubrication promises to bring us a show! ( hasn't Jason Box got camera's around both calving branches?). Do I need to bring a chess board and some grains of rice to show you how quickly doubling can get out of hand? Greenland has shown a 6 year doubling period and it shows no sign of abating. Anyhow , down another 88,000km2 today. I am certain that ice is melting - it happens every year. However, I fail to see what if any problem that may cause. It is a cyclical event you may as well panic about the solar system's orbit around the galaxy. There are many of these diagrams all show that we are at the cold end of the Holocene - near the start of the Holocene we had the Holocene 'Optimum' and in a series of warm then cold meanders the temperature has been slowly dropping. These temperatures have no apparent statistical relationship or connection with the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. At the Holocene optimum the arctic ice was almost certainly all melted in the Summer not so Greenland that seems to have survived far warmer interglacials. Sorry if history does not support the panic meme but it is what it is. This is a completely invented panic.
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Post by Ratty on May 26, 2016 11:23:05 GMT
We have now been treated to a plethora of papers looking at the collapse of Greenland, from basin by basin studies to ice sheet mechanics and none of them pretty or comforting. If you want to 'watch' something this melt season then check out Jakobshavn and its retreat over this season? Seeing as we have seen no let up in calving ( even with melange buttressing) all winter so warmer temps and melt water lubrication promises to bring us a show! ( hasn't Jason Box got camera's around both calving branches?). Do I need to bring a chess board and some grains of rice to show you how quickly doubling can get out of hand? Greenland has shown a 6 year doubling period and it shows no sign of abating. Anyhow , down another 88,000km2 today.
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Post by duwayne on May 26, 2016 16:14:23 GMT
In Graywolf's world facts don't matter. There is no albedo in the Beaufort Sea. Methane concentration in the atmosphere is increasing wildly. And so on..
It's true that there is some global warming. But people like Graywolf so overstate what is happening and the consequences thereof that the public is fed up. It's a true case of crying wolf.
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Post by phydeaux2363 on May 26, 2016 17:24:26 GMT
In Graywolf's world facts don't matter. There is no albedo in the Beaufort Sea. Methane concentration in the atmosphere is increasing wildly. And so on.. It's true that there is some global warming. But people like Graywolf so overstate what is happening and the consequences thereof that the public is fed up. It's a true case of crying wolf. Wait. You mean I don't have to move to Marfa?
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Post by sigurdur on May 26, 2016 17:43:01 GMT
95% of the ice sheet covering Greenland is less than 110,000 years old. I wonder how that is possible? The Western Peninsula of Antarctica bears the same age range.
Compared to previous interglacial periods, the Holocene has been a cool one. Looks a lot like MIS-11 in regards to temperatures and potential length. When someone can tell me with a degree of certainty why the Eemian was 4.0-5.0C warmer than present, I will listen. CO2 levels weren't a lot higher, if higher at all. Orbital parameters were very similar. Yet, why the heat?
MIS-11 has the same problem, but on the cool end of the stick. And why did it last 44,000 years verses approx 11-12,000 years?
There are some who make a big deal out of normal happenings. There is a lot of 20 year trends that somehow are defining climate. YET, resolution of past proxy data clearly shows that a 20 year trend would not have been detectable.
ON that note tho, shell fish proxy data is starting to be given more weight. It has closed the resolution gap for the Holocene and clearly shows lots of warmth/cold that wasn't detectable with other proxy selections. Isn't it actually time to start talking about climate rather than weather?
During the Holocene Climate Optimum, it is well understood that the Arctic was ice free during the summer months for 1,000's of years. Did the world burn to death during this period? Did methane release overwhelm natures response?
Nope.
So, in summary, the gloom and doom presented by some just doesn't wash in the real world.
To those who are really concerned, I can only say that you must be in Hillary's reality. The one that doesn't exist for most of us.
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