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Post by nonentropic on May 26, 2016 17:43:07 GMT
you still can if there is any room left.
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Post by douglavers on May 30, 2016 6:14:34 GMT
ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.phpVisual inspection of the graphs from previous years hardly ever show the graph trending so closely to the 30 year average as that shown for the past few months. A cynic might suggest that the average was being used to "modulate" the numbers. Of course, I don't believe that at all.
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Post by acidohm on May 30, 2016 7:44:01 GMT
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Post by Ratty on May 30, 2016 10:25:21 GMT
That's not OUT of interest; that's VERY interesting.
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Post by graywolf on May 30, 2016 10:37:44 GMT
In what way is the post vortex Arctic stratosphere 'interesting'? It's as entertaining as watching DMI 80N once its measuring melting ice from mid June onward? The earliest ever recorded 'final warming' is of interest though?
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Post by acidohm on May 30, 2016 11:43:07 GMT
In what way is the post vortex Arctic stratosphere 'interesting'? It's as entertaining as watching DMI 80N once its measuring melting ice from mid June onward? The earliest ever recorded 'final warming' is of interest though? Personally I'd rather focus on as many tidbits of information as possible, but maybe that's just me (confident that others feel this way however! ) Actually after I posted I wondered about the relavance of comparing a single and present year graph to a multi year averaged graph, but the difference is still apparent in that the Norwegian data show its average in general at sea level, whereas at a stratospheric level it is low. What I'd be really interested to tease out is why noctilucent clouds are increasing in quantities for the last 4/5 years?? This is obviously a polar phenomena, but mostly by population observed in the northern hemisphere over the arctic (see, made it relevant to the thread!!) Why is the stratosphere so cold as it was last year too, does this lend itself to ssw more readily?? Are noctilucent clouds a symptom of a larger climatic shift?? Is the reduced ice pack directly responsible for this?? Many interesting questions with a wide range of input including your preferred one Graywolf......but no panic.....
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Post by Ratty on May 30, 2016 23:07:44 GMT
My motto: "Learn something new every day."
Should I fail, I just make things up. ................... Dr. Ratty PhD, Climatologist
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Post by missouriboy on May 31, 2016 1:14:21 GMT
My motto: "Learn something new every day." Should I fail, I just make things up. ................... Dr. Ratty PhD, Climatologist It gets embarrassing however, when you can't remember which is which.
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Post by Ratty on May 31, 2016 23:03:48 GMT
The Arctic is now "making" ice relative to 2012:
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Post by nonentropic on Jun 1, 2016 5:14:10 GMT
you mean a disappointing lack of collapse.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 1, 2016 15:52:21 GMT
When one is talking climate, one has to take the whole picture into account. One of the great failures of Mann's reconstruction of MWP temperatures was he only took a few sample areas and tried to wipe out the MWP even tho he probably knew it was a world wide event.
Ice is the same, in regards to climate. You have to look at the whole, not 1/2 of the ice.
Has world wide ice extent crashed? Nope.
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Post by graywolf on Jun 2, 2016 9:21:51 GMT
JAXA all fixed and back up. June 1st put us under 10.5 million, 440,000km2 less than the nearest rival.
Siberia getting torched. Check the remaining snow cover compared to the past couple of days! More aggressive than the 2012 event in June ( and earlier).
With a strong Di-pole setting up expect to see fram, and the killing zone above it (where Atlantic warm waters have been eating ice since feb.) take an amount of ice before we see a big high sets up over the CAB...... I wonder if the whole remain pack could set in motion if the high remains long enough?
As the month progresses we will end with two zones bad for ice, Alaskan side of Beaufort and over Fram. even without in-situ forcing ice is in danger of drift into active melt zones?
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Jun 2, 2016 16:24:36 GMT
JAXA all fixed and back up. June 1st put us under 10.5 million, 440,000km2 less than the nearest rival. Siberia getting torched. Check the remaining snow cover compared to the past couple of days! More aggressive than the 2012 event in June ( and earlier). With a strong Di-pole setting up expect to see fram, and the killing zone above it (where Atlantic warm waters have been eating ice since feb.) take an amount of ice before we see a big high sets up over the CAB...... I wonder if the whole remain pack could set in motion if the high remains long enough? As the month progresses we will end with two zones bad for ice, Alaskan side of Beaufort and over Fram. even without in-situ forcing ice is in danger of drift into active melt zones? Graywolf's happy dance is helping to dislodge even more ice so it washes down the Fram drain. Is it friction from the grinding ice that is causing the Siberian blow torch? These are truly exciting times!
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 4, 2016 21:45:38 GMT
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Jun 5, 2016 4:01:26 GMT
. On the contrary, Mr. Sig. This will cause him no end of agitation.
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