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Post by slh1234 on Dec 7, 2014 9:03:00 GMT
When I was growing up, we always had stories of mountain lions, and sometimes at night, I thought I heard them. My grandpa was always telling me he heard them. And of course, "Where the Red Fern Grows" features a mountain lion very prominently for its turning point ... that wasn't that far from where I lived in Cherokee country. However; I never saw one, and we never lost a dog, a calf, or had any other kind of break-in from them. As for livestock lost, we probably lost more chicks to snakes, or chickens to smaller predators than anything else. And I ALWAYS heard coyotes - in fact we (Boys in that farming area) sometimes caught a pup and kept for a while as a pet, but that never really worked out for very long. I've wondered for a long time if they were really there, or if I was hearing things because outside of what I thought I heard, we just didn't have any evidence of them being there. It seems like they should have been, though. Now when I lived in Washington, we really did have a bear get into our neighborhood. He left evidence like trash cans he had been into, and we had several people get pictures of him, though. I'd like to have seen a mountain lion in the woods if it could have been seen without a bad ending.
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Post by walnut on Dec 7, 2014 14:49:09 GMT
I think it is much more likely to see one now, as the deer populations have climbed by many %, and the small farms have been abandoned, there may be more food (deer) and habitat, the lions have moved back in. At this point I think that there might be several mountain lions in the state.
That one in the photo above looks very powerful. His muscles and frame are heavy duty. I would not want to encounter him at close range.
I know Cherokee County, very pretty area!
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 7, 2014 15:24:03 GMT
In 2009 I was on a rig in the mountains just south of Rifle Colorado. Went out for my late afternoon run and one of those darted across the road chasing something about 40 yards in front of me. I often wonder what would have happened if I was just feeling a little better that day and put about 40 more yards behind me.
I am a hell of a lot slower than a deer so I would have been easy pickens for the majestic cat.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 7, 2014 16:29:52 GMT
The one pictured looks like it was taken with a game camera at someones deer feeder. You can see what appears to be corn spread on the ground. The cat (which looks to be on steroids) is probably lurking in the shadows waiting for the deer to come to the feeder.
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Post by walnut on Dec 7, 2014 18:04:34 GMT
The state wildlife departments have been denying the existence of mountain lions in various states, then their fall-back position was to say that it is always only transient cats, normally young males, who travel hundreds of miles in a short time, but don't take over a territory (where then are they going to actually stop and live?). Now it is becoming apparent that there is a population of them in the state, I wonder what the gov't guys will be saying next. The cat in the photo does not look like a weary, hungry young transient male to me. He is living right where he wants to live and is sometimes eating deer at deer feeders, almost as easy as going to a food store. It's a conspiracy I tell ya!
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Post by kiwistonewall on Dec 8, 2014 0:44:28 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 8, 2014 0:49:40 GMT
Code, Keep in mind deficit and debt are two different things. Our debt continues to grow and grow.
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Post by walnut on Dec 8, 2014 5:48:34 GMT
Dr Doom and a few others that come on CNBC or Bloomberg have been wrong for so long and so many times. But one day the market will dive again, and they will be on TV gleefully saying "I told you so". Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Post by walnut on Dec 8, 2014 19:07:31 GMT
Well, he will be right again, one day when the market tanks and or another debt crisis happens. Trouble is, if he took his own advice over the last 7 or 8 years, he will have lost so much equity on gold, silver, and short positions that he will not be able to benefit from the eventual crash. Something tells me that he has not been taking his own advice though.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 8, 2014 23:37:33 GMT
He was.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 9, 2014 1:36:07 GMT
Roubini has predicted 10 of the last 1 recessions. So I guess he was right. So was Harry Dent and Glenn Beck.
But they have been wrong about our eminent collapse dozens and dozens of times.
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Post by walnut on Dec 9, 2014 1:53:23 GMT
He is a perma-bear, and not to be taken seriously IMO. He would have bankrupted you in the last several years if you had listened to him.
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 9, 2014 2:15:59 GMT
If I wanted America to fail I would pay people to dig holes, and then pay them to fill them back in again. But even that is better than burning a bunch of cash building vacant cities that no one is ever going to live in. You use less commodities digging holes. Attachments:
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Post by douglavers on Dec 9, 2014 4:26:08 GMT
As a complete outsider, I have never understand the expression "America to fail".
Could someone please explain?
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Post by kiwistonewall on Dec 9, 2014 6:33:09 GMT
As a complete outsider, I have never understand the expression "America to fail". Could someone please explain? The Parrot on your Avatar explains it all: (Those horrid things made me give up on my apple trees!) That Pests consume and spoil the Wealth past generations have built up. I don't just mean money, but ethics, family strength and morality. It isn't just America of course, the whole West is on a knife edge. Democracy fails when the majority thinks it can vote itself benefits from the public purse - it is always someone else who will pay (they think). Sadly, apart from a massive change in thinking, sad times are ahead.
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