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Post by missouriboy on Dec 15, 2014 3:12:28 GMT
The chickens are returning to their "true believer" roosts! And they're hungry. There is a good chance that the lights and furnaces will go out this winter - then as the deaths from cold rise one wonders how long before common sense breaks through? In UK they have without problem taken no notice of 5000 a month dying from cold in energy poverty - SO I would think that New England will do the same and ignore deaths of the poor from cold. After all that fits the progressive view that the old are low on QALYs so it is for the general good that they die off early. The modern Progressive view is nothing more than the old Yankee-Puritan ethic that was transferred to the Massachusetts Bay Colony from East Anglia. The Calvinism of that day stressed the overriding importance of the community (the entity that could be saved) versus the individual whose destiny was predetermined. The individual must subordinate themselves to the will and beliefs of the community. Hilary Clinton's book, "It takes a Village", is just a reiteration of this ethic. Thus those that die from the cold are doing so for the better good of the community. Somewhere along the line, the Puritans lost their God, but kept their arrogance.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 15, 2014 3:15:57 GMT
I have looked at alternative energy sources. No matter how I try I can't cost justify them. Maybe just for a home? But I need large reserves. When I turn on my pumps, 20hp and 8 1/2 HP I need voltage. To keep them running i need amps. And that is just the pumps. What are the big pumps for? Irrigation? It is true that the majority of commercially available alternative energy solutions are not cost effective even over the long run. That is because the most efficient gathering and storage of energy is very highly architecturally/geographically specific and to maximize the cost efficiency of a potential solution you have to custom build it. Most often its not cost efficient to do that to replace an already working system. There are some solutions, almost no-brainer stuff, that should be more popular. . . .like not storing unused hot water for later use (conventional water heating system). On demand water heating is far more efficient and when combined with a storage of passively heated water its even more efficient. Space heating is very architecturally based and can be done for less, over the long run, than conventionally heated spaces if originally designed into the structure. But we are probably quite away from running a tractor efficiently on something other than fossil fuels. The pumps are used to run water in flumes, soak piles of spuds etc. The flume is 30" across and 18-36" deep, and 100's of feet long. Takes a lot of water movement to move the spuds in the flumes. Have inverters on them to control the speeds. Saves money, also saves the Elec Co's butt as the start up current required is not as large. The actual wash line is not invertor controlled. One switch turns that all on. HP wise, the whole line requires approx. 35 HP. So somewhat of a demand when the start button is pushed. To run the whole place would take a 200KW generator.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 15, 2014 3:17:43 GMT
There is a good chance that the lights and furnaces will go out this winter - then as the deaths from cold rise one wonders how long before common sense breaks through? In UK they have without problem taken no notice of 5000 a month dying from cold in energy poverty - SO I would think that New England will do the same and ignore deaths of the poor from cold. After all that fits the progressive view that the old are low on QALYs so it is for the general good that they die off early. The modern Progressive view is nothing more than the old Yankee-Puritan ethic that was transferred to the Massachusetts Bay Colony from East Anglia. The Calvinism of that day stressed the overriding importance of the community (the entity that could be saved) versus the individual whose destiny was predetermined. The individual must subordinate themselves to the will and beliefs of the community. Hilary Clinton's book, "It takes a Village", is just a reiteration of this ethic. Thus those that die from the cold are doing so for the better good of the community. Somewhere along the line, the Puritans lost their God, but kept their arrogance. Excellent analysis. Yet, older folks are steeped in wisdom and knowledge. What a waste to ignore them. And with most "Progressive" ideas, the ones it really hurts are the poor.
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 15, 2014 3:48:42 GMT
The modern Progressive view is nothing more than the old Yankee-Puritan ethic that was transferred to the Massachusetts Bay Colony from East Anglia. The Calvinism of that day stressed the overriding importance of the community (the entity that could be saved) versus the individual whose destiny was predetermined. The individual must subordinate themselves to the will and beliefs of the community. Hilary Clinton's book, "It takes a Village", is just a reiteration of this ethic. Thus those that die from the cold are doing so for the better good of the community. Somewhere along the line, the Puritans lost their God, but kept their arrogance. Excellent analysis. Yet, older folks are steeped in wisdom and knowledge. What a waste to ignore them. And with most "Progressive" ideas, the ones it really hurts are the poor. Absolutely Sig! We should rejoice in diversity ... and the experience that comes with age. God only knows that we need all the wisdom, experience and knowledge that we can get. But God help you if you do not tow the Progressive Party line (or the Radical Right as well). I try not to queue into the 'punch line', as the Reverend Jim Jones is serving.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 15, 2014 10:27:20 GMT
My experience with enhanced interrogation did not produce desired results. Were you the gator or gatee? Yes
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 15, 2014 14:47:37 GMT
Coming from a long line of (Reagan style) disgusted, recovering Democrats, I still have that nagging (overwhelming?) suspicion that American socialism is heavily rigged in favor of the ultra-powerful financial interests versus the smaller business owner. The current furor over reinstating Federal guarantees for derivatives seems to be an appropriate topic for this thread. Even a 3% Indian - 97% Puritan Witch Hunter like Elizabeth Warren might occasionally have a point ... if it's not strictly political. Interesting, given that big finance is historically a northeastern (Yankee) power structure. I'm looking forward to meeting Ms. Warren someday and pointing out to her that I'm twice the Indian she is ... and it still doesn't make me an Indian! www.wbur.org/npr/370817279/sen-warren-warns-that-spending-bill-sets-dangerous-precedent
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 15, 2014 22:56:07 GMT
The Great Climate Change Shakedown "Mr. Obama has agreed to an historic climate change deal with... himself. America will give up jobs and money (eventually trillions) and pay higher energy prices and in exchange the rest of the world will do nothing. In the climate change racket, we are being played for fools."What is not said in this Opinion piece is that the president and secretary of state are actually complicit in trying to play Americans as fools - Gruber would be proud.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 17, 2014 13:31:47 GMT
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Post by glennkoks on Dec 17, 2014 16:49:50 GMT
It's rather sad to see people paying that amount for power. With natural gas less than 4.00 an MMBTU and people starting to lose their jobs in the oil patch because of declining energy prices.
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Post by walnut on Dec 17, 2014 17:22:22 GMT
I know that cheap energy prices are a conspiracy by western oil companies to destroy the alternative energy startups.
I know this to be a FACT because I heard it on NPR.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 17, 2014 17:52:26 GMT
I know that cheap energy prices are a conspiracy by western oil companies to destroy the alternative energy startups. I know this to be a FACT because I heard it on NPR. That will all be cured by the Administration increasing subsidies after all the subsidy farmers are the administration's friends, family and voting supporters.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 17, 2014 23:16:05 GMT
Oh boy. We all knew this type of thing was coming.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 19, 2014 0:28:50 GMT
watchdog.org/188187/elon-musk-saves-cuomo/It’s easy to see why Barbara Walters named billionaire Elon Musk one of 2014’s most fascinating people. In the waning days of his 2014 reelection campaign, Gov. Andrew Cuomo turned to Musk to bail him out of a $1 billion economic development deal that was going down in flames — and could very well take Cuomo’s political ambitions with it.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 21, 2014 17:41:48 GMT
A Sam Adams quote that is pertinent. Except that we have a president that appears to want to be the Sovereign and a progressive at the same time. Although, it has been my experience that progressives tend toward dictatorial oligarchies which is close to Royal Progression. It's good beer too
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Post by walnut on Dec 21, 2014 18:41:30 GMT
It is a self evident truth, but so many just cannot see it. Liberal leaders who push this stuff are cynical career politicians, exploiting the stupidity of some voters. * For Example *Yeah the beer is great, I had some Sam Adams Winter Brew last week, so good.
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